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That is assuming the horse- axemen have the overall advantage in the first place. And no an axe will definitely not help against a lance which has like twice or thrice the reach of an axe.

i was very successful using axes while mounted against whole groups of cavalry with lance in bannerlords. I can very well imagine the use of them in rl. Weapon length doesnt matter in every situation u can get. Stop claiming that and we are fine
 
It was semi ironic, which is a phrase I've used to mean "truth presented in a sarcastic manner",
You do this a lot, don't you? Say things that are 100% wrong and just shrug it off like it's other people's fault that they want to use words correctly.


You claimed I didn't know what I was talking, which could very well be considered an insult, even though I realize I can be mistaken, you have not yet proven that, I don't think.
You called an axe "bro, that's actually a bardiche". Doubly wrong because a) that's actually not a bardiche and b) a bardiche is actually an axe.

Then you tried to defend that the use of axes were unconventional and isolated. Such is obviously not the case since the axe was used by cavalry from the beginning of the bronze age all the way to the 17th century and even in some circumstances all the way to the 19th century.

You said swords were preferable to axes when fighting from a horse. You can check with a military historian to see that actually the opposite is correct.

a. Axes are much better at penetrating good armour.
b. From a horse, the downward chop is much more effective than a thrust. Obviously the cutting power of an axe is superior to a sword (hopefully this is self evident and I don't have to explain the physics behind it).
c. Axes allow you to hook and pull a combatant off a horse.
d. Axes are warhammers/maces and pretty much interchangeable in their functionality and these were the weapons of choice for the medieval knight together with the lance and the dagger. Swords were a secondary weapon, used for running down light armoured troops and for tournament dueling.

So you can see why a knight would more often pick an axe or a warhammer if he was going to fight another knight.

Swords do have 1 definite advantage over axes in that they offer more defensive ability and allow you to change directions and feign better than an axe.
 
That is assuming the horse- axemen have the overall advantage in the first place. And no an axe will definitely not help against a lance which has like twice or thrice the reach of an axe.
This is quite true. No one would bring an axe (or a sword) to counter an enemy lance charge. :mrgreen:

After the inital charge however, lances get dropped and it's chaos time. Either that or they used to go back and have their squire give them a new lance for the second charge.
 
I am forgetting however 1 definite advantage a sword has over an axe!

A well crafted sword is more expensive than an axe and thus a better status symbol than an axe. This would be very important in the medieval battlefield because often would not get killed in battle but rather imprisoned and ransomed.
 
This is quite true. No one would bring an axe (or a sword) to counter an enemy lance charge. :mrgreen:

After the inital charge however, lances get dropped and it's chaos time. Either that or they used to go back and have their squire give them a new lance for the second charge.

lol squires hand u new weapons? i think u confuse battles with tournaments
Also u can counter a lance charge quite well on horse by just adapting speed and direction of the charge, so that the charge turns into a slow close-in maneuver. (if u dont have to defend an archer group from the charge which is anyother story)
A tactic that worked quite well for the mongols: when they came across enemy cav they just feint retreated and peppered them with arrows. After thinning them out they pulled out their axes and sabres and cleared the rest.
 
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I am forgetting however 1 definite advantage a sword has over an axe!

A well crafted sword is more expensive than an axe and thus a better status symbol than an axe. This would be very important in the medieval battlefield because often would not get killed in battle but rather imprisoned and ransomed.

Which would only make ur ransom higher and therefore more unlikely?
A tactic Julius Cesar actually used, but with foresight of crushing those pirates later and taking the ransom for himself to pay his debts and a new army
 
You called an axe "bro, that's actually a bardiche". Doubly wrong because a) that's actually not a bardiche and b) a bardiche is actually an axe.
That is very clearly a bardiche (which yes is a polearm derived from the axe but more suitable than the axe you've showed which is considerably more pointy), if not an axe with a straightened blade, which is a logical design choice that MIGHT prevent the axe from getting stuck in armour or the body, but even then I don't think you'll be able to pull it out unless your horse is stopped, at which point you're in even a worse situation.

You can check with a military historian to see that actually the opposite is correct.
Could follow literally every other sentence with that.

a. Axes are much better at penetrating good armour.
b. From a horse, the downward chop is much more effective than a thrust. Obviously the cutting power of an axe is superior to a sword (hopefully this is self evident and I don't have to explain the physics behind it).
Cavalry is not an anti-armour unit they are shock troops, and if they're in an unfavourable situation they sure as hell won't be risking their horses and accept all the massive limitations of horseback vs on-foot combat, so they would dismount and continue that way, which they did. You're saying axes are good at armour penetration, great now let's look at all the alternatives or what the enemy frontline units would be equipped with: POLEARMS. MASSIVE POLEARMS. Pikes, Poleaxes, Halberds, Glaives etc they ALL provide the armour penetration you talked about but with far more advantages, your axe won't get you through those let alone your horse who is also a living being and is not suicidal. And they are made to specifically wreck heavy armoured opponents, what's the best way to do that? No it's not chopping or slashing or stabbing, it's blunt damage. A pole hammer or even a pole axe is great for this, because the pole axe also has a blunt hammer side, one decent hit to the head or well anywhere really is GONNA HURT. Even if you dismount you've no chance against those with an axe. And also axes were not the main weapons. It was spears and pikes, or later would be more common POLEARMS. Swords and sometimes axes were backup.
And as I've said you have very limited range on horseback especially with an axe against infantry you're gonna count on the footman standing right under or next to your charging horse, who for some reason won't be using those 12ft long pikes or spears or any of the polearms he had?

c. Axes allow you to hook and pull a combatant off a horse.
And your axe goes right with him.

d. Axes are warhammers/maces and pretty much interchangeable in their functionality and these were the weapons of choice for the medieval knight together with the lance and the dagger. Swords were a secondary weapon, used for running down light armoured troops and for tournament dueling.
An axe is for chopping not blunt damage which is what warhammers and maces are for, which are a thousand times more viable an option than axes. The primary weapon is either a lance or another polearm, and the secondary weapons are sword and a dagger. Think you got a little confused there.

So you can see why a knight would more often pick an axe or a warhammer if he was going to fight another knight.
Fighting other knights is not the primary function of a knight. And I think you're using the term "axe" very broadly as in you might be referring to other axe-like polearms such as the poleaxe and the bardiche?
 
Go on with this animal abuse and see how the Chickenguardian spawns at some point and rips you apart.
If that beast kills you its permadeath, no matter what you've chosen in the options.
 
So Vikings were from Denmark at the time, and in present day territories that overlap Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Kievan Rus were eastern slavs and eventually also Finnic peoples or "Varangians".

There is some debate as to whether or not Varangians from Finland are considered Vikings to this day...

"Controversy persists over whether the Rus' were Varangians (Vikings) or Slavs. This uncertainty is due largely to a paucity of contemporary sources. Attempts to address this question instead rely on archaeological evidence, the accounts of foreign observers, and legends and literature from centuries later.[24] To some extent the controversy is related to the foundation myths of modern states in the region.[25] According to the "Normanist" view, the Rus' were Scandinavians, while Russian and Ukrainian nationalist historians generally argue that the Rus' were themselves Slavs.[26][27][28] Normanist theories focus on the earliest written source for the East Slavs, the Primary Chronicle,[29] although even this account was not produced until the 12th century.[30] Nationalist accounts have suggested that the Rus' were present before the arrival of the Varangians,[31] noting that only a handful of Scandinavian words can be found in modern Russian and that Scandinavian names in the early chronicles were soon replaced by Slavic names.[32] Nevertheless, archaeological evidence from the area suggests that a Scandinavian population was present during the 10th century at the latest.[33] On balance, it seems likely that the Rus' proper were a small minority of Scandinavians who formed an elite ruling class, while the great majority of their subjects were Slavs.[32] Considering the linguistic arguments mounted by nationalist scholars, if the proto-Rus' were Scandinavians, they must have quickly become nativized, adopting Slavic languages and other cultural practices."


That's pretty neat, I had no idea that a controversy even existed. I'll concede that what I wrote is not entirety accurate but equally so was your claim about them.
I just find it funny when people say the Sturgians are like the nords, which they are. Big round shields, throwing axes and viking looking equipment and then someone comes and says nonono they are supposed to be kievan rus because they have drushniks and kievan rus population were Slavic (which they were) but their rulers were of scandinavian descent(read about Rurik dynasty). They were quickly assimilated into the local customs though some still continued speaking the Norse language for some generations after.
I'm not sure where you learned that varangians were finnic people's? Have you ever heard of the varangians guard, where they not vikings or considered vikings and what is the difference?
I like that you back research your position though, I'm looking forward to your next reply.
 
I just find it funny when people say the Sturgians are like the nords, which they are. Big round shields, throwing axes and viking looking equipment and then someone comes and says nonono they are supposed to be kievan rus because they have drushniks and kievan rus population were Slavic (which they were) but their rulers were of scandinavian descent(read about Rurik dynasty). They were quickly assimilated into the local customs though some still continued speaking the Norse language for some generations after.
I'm not sure where you learned that varangians were finnic people's? Have you ever heard of the varangians guard, where they not vikings or considered vikings and what is the difference?
I like that you back research your position though, I'm looking forward to your next reply.

Finally someone sets it right. The whole viking age was about this great migration of Scandinavians who conquered and settled in the Baltics, Rus, Lothringen, Normandie, the british isles, Iceland and Greenland
side note: Varangian guard were hired mercenaries from Scandinavia who served the byzantine emperor
 
Finally someone sets it right. The whole viking age was about this great migration of Scandinavians who conquered and settled in the Baltics, Rus, Lothringen, Normandie, the british isles, Iceland and Greenland
side note: Varangian guard were hired mercenaries from Scandinavia who served the byzantine emperor
Glad someone agrees with me, I kept seeing too many people post they are not vikings without any counter argument.
It find it weird, because I assumed if you knew about the kievan rus you would know where they came from(the ruling dynasty that is)
 
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