This game doesn't have enough SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[The Pope]

Nords are vikings, and can thus yell OOOOOOOOOOOOODIN while they charge. Khergits are mongols, and can yell KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN. Swadians are knights, and can yell DEUS VULT. Vaegirs are Russian, so they can yell MOTHERLAND. I haven't a clue what rhodoks are, so they don't get to yell anything.

This can be fixed by making them greco-roman, which would A) Look cool and B) provide a faction which gets to yell SPARTAAAAAAAA. Their troops could include peltasts, legionaries, hoplites, pikemen and archers - a balanced and functional troop tree which would play quite differently to the other factions. Bronze armor would look a bit out of place, so I'd say just give them steel versions of ancient equipment.

 

[ArabArcher35]

Khergits might be able to yell "KHAAAAAAN" if they were based off of Captain Kirk, but to be honest, I don't think there's alot of yelling going on anyways, aside from "FOR THE DOG!".

 

[Merentha]

This gets my support.  The Rhodoks really need some kind of differentiation from the other factions, and I don't see why classical armor, sufficiently updated in metallurgy (and backed by mail) wouldn't be effective. 

 

[Kharzagoth]

I think it would just be good if your army had some kind of war cry as they charged into battle.

 

[The Pope]

The main point of the thread is classical armor. It looks good and was functional, and seeing as Mount & Blade isn't a historical game, balanced anachronism is fine. The shouting stuff is because I know most of you won't click a thread without an internet meme or viking in the title

 

[Lt. of the tower]

I would love yelling for the men to make an apperance. In The Battle for Middle-earth 2 when the player has a large amount of men highlighted and orders them to attack an enemy they all yell out and scream, its quite well done.

 

[Merentha]

The main point of the thread is classical armor. It looks good and was functional, and seeing as Mount & Blade isn't a historical game, balanced anachronism is fine. The shouting stuff is because I know most of you won't click a thread without an internet meme or viking in the title

This is the topic.  Stay on it. 

 

[TheSlightFeelingOfRegret]

That actually could be bloody interesting. I've never throught of taking ancient armour styles and improving them with later technology. I think this would be a wonderful and interesting thing to place in game.

 

[Will Greaves]

I was very disappointed when the 0.8 series of patches removed the old model for hard leather armour, as it was the only thing at all approximating ancient armour.  I would love to see ancient styles introduced (shields and weapons as well as armour).

 

[F50]

Nords need a better troop tree. Rhodoks need spears to be fixed. But I suppose a better troop tree would help them too.

 

[alexyoo93]

Add the Greeks to the game? Weren't all of the already implemented factions around the same time? Adding Greek/Romans which died off 500AD(?) would kind of seem misplaced.

However, it would be cool to see some Roman legionaries. . And Spartans.

 

[Merlkir]

yeah, sure, cause Spartans and roman soldiers aren't an anachronism, right?

(BTW: I wouldn't mind having the Rhodoks becoming a bit byzantine, late roman/greek though)

 

[Merentha]

Add the Greeks to the game? Weren't all of the already implemented factions around the same time? Adding Greek/Romans which died off 500AD(?) would kind of seem misplaced.

Assuming that their gear was updated to steel, there is no reason that classical armors would not be effective on the battlefield.  The barbute helm is functionally identical to the Corinthian of several hundred years earlier, for example.  They would not be Roman copies, but rather a theoretical civilization in which classical arms and armor were simply upgraded and improved. 

 

[Zathan]

The main point of the thread is classical armor. It looks good and was functional, and seeing as Mount & Blade isn't a historical game, balanced anachronism is fine. The shouting stuff is because I know most of you won't click a thread without an internet meme or viking in the title

No. M&B certainly isn't historically correct, but it has a dateline and for the most part, the items in-game are from the right era(-ish) (13-15th century).
Sparta was in the antiquity, BC, I feel there is no way they would fit in the game.

They would not be Roman copies, but rather a theoretical civilization in which classical arms and armor were simply upgraded and improved. 

Tweaks can be made to the existing factions to ensure diversity. Rhodoks could be Moors (North african muslim) f.ex, they are from the same era and diversive enough to make them stand out as a new faction. If not Moors, how about in general African?
Or communal Italy? Or a Swiss mercenary faction of reislaufer and later landknechts?

The reasons for a so-called greco-spartan faction, as given by the OP:
A) Look cool and
B) provide a faction which gets to yell SPARTAAAAAAAA
are both thouroughly irrelevant.

Zathan

edited: quotes and some typos

 

[Merentha]

Just because it never happened doesn't mean it couldn't have.  I see no reason why a civilization that endured throughout our equivalent of the Dark Ages (and so never experienced the complete restructuring of arms and armor that occurred) is so infeasible.

(And knowing the Pope, I think his "spartaaaaaa" comment was a bit of a joke. )

 

[Likantropos]

Suggested battlecries made me laugh... "Motherland" dropped me under the table... Maybe "For Staaaaaalin" would be better? "Khaaan" was good too...
But in general, I like the idea of battlecries, though it would be hard to make them sound not stupid...

 

[Zathan]

Just because it never happened doesn't mean it couldn't have.  I see no reason why a civilization that endured throughout our equivalent of the Dark Ages (and so never experienced the complete restructuring of arms and armor that occurred) is so infeasible.

You want to take an antiquity army with outdated armour and weapons, keep the name, and redesign their weapons and armour? For what? To say they're Spartans? No offence, but that's BS.
There're loads of other uses for the Rhodoks.

(And knowing the Pope, I think his "spartaaaaaa" comment was a bit of a joke. )

Not knowing the Pope, there's no way I or anyone else would know. I'm so sorry, but being a Master Knight doesn't get you any favours from me. Nor should it.

Rgds,

Zathan

 

[Merentha]

Just because it never happened doesn't mean it couldn't have.  I see no reason why a civilization that endured throughout our equivalent of the Dark Ages (and so never experienced the complete restructuring of arms and armor that occurred) is so infeasible.

You want to take an antiquity army with outdated armour and weapons, keep the name, and redesign their weapons and armour? For what? To say they're Spartans? No offence, but that's BS.
There're loads of other uses for the Rhodoks.

Can you in any way explain to me why classical armor, updated with proper metallurgical advances, would be inferior to any armor of the 1200s?  No, its not to say that they're spartans.  Its to give the newcomers a distinctive look and feel that already fits in with the general idea that they have.  They're the most secluded faction, barring some outlying villages, and are also the most consolidated.  If you assume that a similar historical event occurred analogous to our european dark ages, it is very possible that the Rhodoks could have avoided that whole debacle and maintained a similar style of armory during that period, taking into account certain advances such as the crossbow.  In all honesty, a classical army actually seems more "period" than late 16th century Switzerland, if only because of the tremendous societal differences.  If you actually look at classical and 13th century armies, they're surprisingly similar. 

ot knowing the Pope, there's no way I or anyone else would know. I'm so sorry, but being a Master Knight doesn't get you any favours from me. Nor should it.

There's an argumentative attitude that I don't like.  You implying something?

Suggested battlecries made me laugh... "Motherland" dropped me under the table... Maybe "For Staaaaaalin" would be better? "Khaaan" was good too...
But in general, I like the idea of battlecries, though it would be hard to make them sound not stupid...

Not the topic.  Stop. 

 

[The Pope]

No. M&B certainly isn't historically correct, but it has a dateline and for the most part, the items in-game are from the right era(-ish) (13-15th century).
Sparta was in the antiquity, BC, I feel there is no way they would fit in the game.

Not spartans. Rhodoks with plumed barbutes, red cloaks, lots of spearmen, stylized breastplates and big shields.

Tweaks can be made to the existing factions to ensure diversity. Rhodoks could be Moors (North african muslim) f.ex, they are from the same era and diversive enough to make them stand out as a new faction. If not Moors, how about in general African?
Or communal Italy? Or a Swiss mercenary faction of reislaufer and later landknechts?

An african style army wouldn't really fit with the european/steppe climate of calradia, but romans certainly would. Landsknechts and the like are far more technologically advanced than the current factions, and taking away half their equipment would wreck their whole tactical system. They would more out of place, if anything. Putting F22 Raptors and Apache Longbows in a world war 2 game is only 50 years out of place chronologically, but technologically it's a bigger difference than vikings and crusaders. A similar thing applies to landsknechts and their cannons compared with romans - a huge part of the renaissance was just bringing society back to roman levels.

PS: The SPARTAAAAAAAA thing is because:

I know most of you won't click a thread without an internet meme or viking in the title

I actually made this thread before, but it was called rhodok thread or something like that and it got one post. You've proved me right :p

 

[Zathan]

An african style army wouldn't really fit with the european/steppe climate of calradia, but romans certainly would.

They would? No offence, really, but I beg to differ!

Landsknechts and the like are far more technologically advanced than the current factions, and taking away half their equipment would wreck their whole tactical system. They would more out of place, if anything. Putting F22 Raptors and Apache Longbows in a world war 2 game is only 50 years out of place chronologically, but technologically it's a bigger difference than vikings and crusaders. A similar thing applies to landsknechts and their cannons compared with romans - a huge part of the renaissance was just bringing society back to roman levels.

I cannot remember advising cannons to be applied to M&B anywhere in my posts.

PS: The SPARTAAAAAAAA thing is because:
I know most of you won't click a thread without an internet meme or viking in the title

Oh, ok.

I actually made this thread before, but it was called rhodok thread or something like that and it got one post. You've proved me right :p

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a new thread on the block now.

Rgds

Zathan