The_Ludus | ft7.me | Updated to 1.170

[momcilo94]

Good point:

"I hate kicks, ban!" "kicking is such a noob move" "autoblock!!" "faking macro user!1" "omg killed me 1s before duel start BAN"

Ye, it's annoying when they call normal moves like spam, kick, backpedaling nooby moves. And i'ts annoying when they say you autoblock when you have put in time in the game. But ragers will always be there, and it doesn't matter as long as you know.

Bad point:

"omgomg tobi pls teach me" "omgomg M duel me plspls"

My opinion is that the whole point of the game is not to be nr1, it's to increase your skill level and get better. The only way to get better is to duel players that are good in dueling. Imo, noone is good by their natural talent, they get good by training, and someone who dueled 1 month vs a pro player all the time will be 80% better than someone who dueled 3 months vs players of their equal skill. There is no other way to grow unless you duel someone stronger than you, so it's only natural for people to seek stronger than them.

Bad point nr2:

with two handed swords, while they can't do **** on a battle, especially if its competitive. Looks ridiculous, unrealistic. That's the only way how a warband player can call himself good in this game? Beating some 24/7 duelists on Nditions by killing them 7 times? WTF?

This is because fighting with a shield and a sword is so much different than fighting with a 2h sword. If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.


Also, there is not much that needs to be fixed in Warbands combat. The 5000 dpi feinters you are talking about easily get destroyed by more experienced players who know when to apply a spam


Oh and pr0fail y u no know how to drink?

 

[ryozu]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

da ****? Sorry man, but I gotta use your own argument against you. You haven't played enough battles against good opponents long enough if you say that it only takes a week to get as good combat awareness as you can.

(Defining combat awareness as awareness of the locations of your teammates, awareness of your enemies' approximate positions, knowledge of the maps, ability to make split-second decisions.)

 

[pro.fail]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

I'm talking about real fights, like 8v8 or 10v10 with shielders, archers and cav. I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

 

[pro.fail]

I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

You never saw Franz playing then

I'm actually not talking about those guys.

 

[pro.fail]

There's huge difference between being good with two handed swords in a duel or on a match.

 

[Alene]

It's not an uncommon sight for a spear-wielder to throw his shield to back and start spamming with the spear. Although it's considered polearm, I don't see much difference to two-hander. And pro dueler with that can be a difficult opponent.

Also Rhodok mauls etc are two-handed, and those are used as well.

Personally I sometimes take a bastard sword as Swadian in battles, although I don't think I'll considered as pro battle player.

 

[momcilo94]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

da ****? Sorry man, but I gotta use your own argument against you. You haven't played enough battles against good opponents long enough if you say that it only takes a week to get as good combat awareness as you can.

(Defining combat awareness as awareness of the locations of your teammates, awareness of your enemies' approximate positions, knowledge of the maps, ability to make split-second decisions.)

First of all knowledge of the maps, has nothing to do with combat awareness. Secondly, if after being a pro dueler with shields, and 2hers, you start playing clan warrish battles for 1h a day for a whole week. If after that you still don't gain combat awareness, then you are just a slow learner that's it. You would  probably need a week or two more (Nothing wrong with that). Of course, finding a battle like that every day would be difficult but I just provided an example.

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

I'm talking about real fights, like 8v8 or 10v10 with shielders, archers and cav. I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

I'm talking about real fights too. If someone is a good duelist with a shield. Once he gains that combat awareness he would be a great player in battles.



Dueling without a shield is never useless either, it provides you with good manual blocking skill, and you learn a lot of combat techniques. If someone is a great duelist with 2hers and shields, he would become a good player in battles with about a week or two of constant training. Provided that training consists of the challenge he needs to grow.



I stand by my opinion, that to be a great battle player, you have to be a great duelist at least with shields. Only combat awareness will raise you to a rank of good, but no more.

 

[Liwi]

I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

Bit old, but here you are:

http://www.twitch.tv/wolfpack_clan/b/305269971

First Map, especially Franz did very well with his twohander (black hair and beard) Looked quick over it, for example in the round 31:20 on it was quite funny Or the glorious fight from 54:00 ...

 

[pro.fail]

I see you have understanding problems just like Schakal had. I already told you that I'm not talking about Franz. I respect everyone who is as awesome in duels as on a match.

It's not an uncommon sight for a spear-wielder to throw his shield to back and start spamming with the spear. Although it's considered polearm, I don't see much difference to two-hander. And pro dueler with that can be a difficult opponent.

Also Rhodok mauls etc are two-handed, and those are used as well.

Personally I sometimes take a bastard sword as Swadian in battles, although I don't think I'll considered as pro battle player.

To use the mauls properly, you need to be an awesome teamplayer. You can't kill enemies on a match with a maul by feinting or spamming around. Every weapon has its own way to play and being a good two hander on a match is hard. That's what I was meaning but whaveter.

 

[Imagination]

I see you have understanding problems just like Schakal had. I already told you that I'm not talking about Franz. I respect everyone who is as awesome in duels as on a match.

It's not an uncommon sight for a spear-wielder to throw his shield to back and start spamming with the spear. Although it's considered polearm, I don't see much difference to two-hander. And pro dueler with that can be a difficult opponent.

Also Rhodok mauls etc are two-handed, and those are used as well.

Personally I sometimes take a bastard sword as Swadian in battles, although I don't think I'll considered as pro battle player.

To use the mauls properly, you need to be an awesome teamplayer. You can't kill enemies on a match with a maul by feinting or spamming around. Every weapon has its own way to play and being a good two hander on a match is hard. That's what I was meaning but whaveter.

I guess WV clan is the best example of excelennt play with 2h in matches as every single infantry player knew how to use 2h in duel, as well as in battle.

 

[pro.fail]

I see you have understanding problems just like Schakal had. I already told you that I'm not talking about Franz. I respect everyone who is as awesome in duels as on a match.

Then please tell me what exactly you mean. You said you'd like to see a good duelist who is also good in battle while using a 2handed weapon. Next you said you're not talking about Franz but he is exactly that what you're searching for.

Anyway that has nothing to do with The_Ludus therefore I'm going to delete my posts about that topic tomorrow. And if you'd like to answer write a PM.

I didn't want to offend you. I know my english sucks, but:

|||||||||| <- 100% warband players
||||||||  <- 80% of them are annoying crying dueling kids with two handed swords but can't do **** on battle and they are
                          proud of it actually
||          <- 20% remains. These players are the bests of warband, because they are as awesome in duels as in battles (with two handed weapons aswell) OR players who actually don't even play duels, but still awesome with two handed weapons in battles (this 20% includes Franz)

Clear? D:

And yeah I think I'm going to delete my posts aswell, I was mad and drunk, raging, but that was in my mind since over a year, so I had to write it.

I guess WV clan is the best example of excelennt play with 2h in matches as every single infantry player knew how to use 2h in duel, as well as in battle.

+1

 

[Blivandefar]

u alright profail?

 

[Golradir]

He probably lost a ft7

 

[pro.fail]

Actually didn't even finish my first one yet xD

 

[sotamursu123]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

I'm talking about real fights, like 8v8 or 10v10 with shielders, archers and cav. I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

Okocha, Tyhke, Szymczak, Boroda, Irishman, Monkey...

2h can work in battle, it's just very hard to use in battle compared to duel.

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Just went on IG and played with 2h on open map. gg topped scores anyways lel. (except for shoxi)

 

[momcilo94]

Hey Sota, I heard you got your PC hacked.

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[Golradir]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

I'm talking about real fights, like 8v8 or 10v10 with shielders, archers and cav. I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

Okocha, Tyhke, Szymczak, Boroda, Irishman, Monkey...

2h can work in battle, it's just very hard to use in battle compared to duel.

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Just went on IG and played with 2h on open map. gg topped scores anyways lel. (except for shoxi)

Pff, real men dont bring shields as cover.

 

[Razer]

If they would duel with a shield and a sword vs the same weapons user they would be good in battle too. Things like combat awareness, doesn't take more than a week to learn if you play for 1 hour a day.

I'm talking about real fights, like 8v8 or 10v10 with shielders, archers and cav. I really wanna see some "pro" duelists playing on a match with a two handed weapon. I might die cause of rofling, please.

Okocha, Tyhke, Szymczak, Boroda, Irishman, Monkey...

2h can work in battle, it's just very hard to use in battle compared to duel.

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Just went on IG and played with 2h on open map. gg topped scores anyways lel. (except for shoxi)

Tzz come @ me you amateur 

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[Golradir]

pull it together paul

 

[pro.fail]

Now that's the 20% I was talking about.

Hey Sota, I heard you got your PC hacked.

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I agree, so shut up sota!