The whole ‘whine situation’ and a general community health analysis

[babelfisch]

I'm really not sure what game you are playing. The UI is bad (for a 2020 game), the encyclopedia is not really any different, it just looks better. Inventory? What are you even babelfisching about? QOL stuff - LOL. C'mon bro. No one is buying this nonsense, we've all played it for hundreds of hours now, the emperor has no clothes, no matter what you say.

You probably never played Warband, otherwise you would know how much the current inventory is an improvement. Especially if you want to change equipment of your companions.

 

[StewVader]

You probably never played Warband, otherwise you would know how much the current inventory is an improvement. Especially if you want to change equipment of your companions.

Nah I played plenty of Warband. Its just really not that amazing of an improvement a decade later. Especially if we are talking about Warband Mods that made equipping your companions seemless.

 

[Qwezz]

I think everyone prefers constructive criticism, but that doesn't mean that it's never justified to call TW out for their, let's call it "development strategy".






Callum some time later in a dev video:


Excuse me you did the what now? You added something completely useless I would assume the majority of SP players don't care about instead of an actual feature or game system. Take your stinking emotes and shove them into MP where they belong.

Cheering is one of the best features to come out of recent patches, plus it was mentioned in this thread https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...ing-plans-for-singleplayer-and-engine.422296/ while banners were not.I think it's fine to assume they still are keeping some priorities.

 

[StewVader]

Cheering is one of the best features to come out of recent patches, plus it was mentioned in this thread https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...ing-plans-for-singleplayer-and-engine.422296/ while banners were not.I think it's fine to assume they still are keeping some priorities.

I think you mean to say "Cheering is the only new feature to come out of recent patches". How do you get to best when its the only new thing added to the game recently? Also the criticism was that TW said cosmetic stuff like Banners was not a priority, then developed and released the cheering; which is purely cosmetic. The criticism from Stromming is well said, supported, and obvious.

 

[babelfisch]

Nah I played plenty of Warband. Its just really not that amazing of an improvement a decade later. Especially if we are talking about Warband Mods that made equipping your companions seemless.

I never said it's the most amazing thing on earth, please read the discussion before replying.

 

[StewVader]

I never said it's the most amazing thing of earth, please read the discussion before replying.

I didn't say you called it amazing, but you DID list it as an improvement saying "It's way better". I'm saying, after 10 years, its just not really amazing, way better or impactful to the game.

 

[Qwezz]

I think you mean to say "Cheering is the only new feature to come out of recent patches". How do you get to best when its the only new thing added to the game recently?

Cheering is not the only feature to come out of recent patches. New main storyline content, world map converstaion screens, choosing your troops to raid hideouts new quests etc. They aren't major features but they still are features. Please stop trying so hard to undermine what little we are already getting.

Also the criticism was that TW said cosmetic stuff like Banners was not a priority, then developed and released the cheering; which is purely cosmetic. The criticism from Stromming is well said, supported, and obvious.

Did you not read the other half of my post? https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...ing-plans-for-singleplayer-and-engine.422296/ This thread is possibly the best source of info on what they're focusing on right now and it is more reaible than a one off post by Callum, and cheering was included here, while banners were not.

 

[babelfisch]

I didn't say you called it amazing, but you DID list it as an improvement saying "It's way better". I'm saying, after 10 years, its just not really amazing, way better or impactful to the game.

What I said is that there are more improvements than Combat and Graphics compared to Warband. Clearly it's way better to simply enter the inventory instead of going through a dialogue. You can call that improvement the bare minimum but it doesn't stop it from being better. I could give you other examples where Bannerlord is better than Warband but I fear it's completely pointless to have a conversation with you.

 

[froggyluv]

I think you mean to say "Cheering is the only new feature to come out of recent patches". How do you get to best when its the only new thing added to the game recently? Also the criticism was that TW said cosmetic stuff like Banners was not a priority, then developed and released the cheering; which is purely cosmetic. The criticism from Stromming is well said, supported, and obvious.

Yeah that is pretty inconsistent. Think its safe to say unless the Dev that states that is actually a part of that particular department then its best to not hold too much weight to it. Its not that they're being intentionally dishonest its more like they probably just dont know what sub-group D (Scenes and Particle Effects) group is up to at the moment and are just winging it.

 

[El Capitan]

I think you mean to say "Cheering is the only new feature to come out of recent patches". How do you get to best when its the only new thing added to the game recently? Also the criticism was that TW said cosmetic stuff like Banners was not a priority, then developed and released the cheering; which is purely cosmetic. The criticism from Stromming is well said, supported, and obvious.

Me personally, I would much rather have banners than cheering. I rarely use cheering, not saying its bad but imagine having your companions and troops flying your banner when charging into battle. In my opinion that's more epic than cheering. Also, does it really take this long to sort out the banners?

 

[StewVader]

What I said is that there are more improvements than Combat and Graphics compared to Warband. Clearly it's way better to simply enter the inventory instead of going through a dialogue. You can call that improvement the bare minimum but it doesn't stop it from being better. I could give you other examples where Bannerlord is better than Warband but I fear it's completely pointless to have a conversation with you.

I agree there are minimal improvements; but also lots of step backwards - (Companions, fiefs types/management, etc). My point is - AFTER ALL THIS TIME, this is what they developed - minimal improvements to Warband? Its just a huge missed opportunity in my opinion.

 

[StewVader]

Cheering is not the only feature to come out of recent patches. New main storyline content, world map converstaion screens, choosing your troops to raid hideouts new quests etc. They aren't major features but they still are features. Please stop trying so hard to undermine what little we are already getting.


Did you not read the other half of my post? https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...ing-plans-for-singleplayer-and-engine.422296/ This thread is possibly the best source of info on what they're focusing on right now and it is more reaible than a one off post by Callum, and cheering was included here, while banners were not.

I'm not trying to undermine it. Just being more critical about it. Besides the nonsensical main story line stuff (why is this in a sandbox game anyway??) all those items were already improved by MODS within the first week of the EA release. It just doesn't add up friend.

 

[black_bulldog]

I'm not trying to undermine it. Just being more critical about it. Besides the nonsensical main story line stuff (why is this in a sandbox game anyway??) all those items were already improved by MODS within the first week of the EA release. It just doesn't add up friend.

Modders have 1 or 2 things in mind and they can spend as much time as they want working on that 1 thing. TW has to worry about game balance, stability and a helluva a lot of different things. They're trying to develop a game not make an addition to it, that's worlds apart. I don't know why people have a hard time understanding that.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

My dudes, we have to accept that we are going to enjoy:

• satisfactory vanilla Bannerlord around mid-2021
• some minor mods and fairly tuned vanilla Bannerlord in 2022
• half-baked total conversion LoTR, ASoIaF, Pendor, Medieval Europe, Ancient Rome etc mods in 2023
• expanded total conversion mods and add-ons 2024-2030.

It is currently 2020. It's a fact. We just have to face it. I beg you all, find something else to do and do your best not to play Bannerlord for a while. This will not hurt Taleworlds.

The fact that many people prefer ranting about Bannerlord instead of actually exploring and enjoying other games speaks a lot though.

People aren't complaining just because the game doesn't match their current expectations. People are complaining because it's becoming more and more apparent that the game will never reach even the lowest expectations that a lot of players had.
When a game or any other project nears completion, it is exceptionally rare that it gets "better" in a broad design sense, usually you just get gaps being filled in, and you can usually tell quite accurately whether a game will ever be good eventually, given of course that the same people are working on it.

They had 10 years to create a good gameplay loop and learn all the lessons from Warband, but they didn't. Now they've had over an entire year of gameplay feedback but they're basically ignoring the majority of it, and seem happy to just add new features and make minor balance changes when the entire design of the game is awful in so many fundamental ways. If they can't see these issues now, they never will.

 

[StewVader]

Modders have 1 or 2 things in mind and they can spend as much time as they want working on that 1 thing. TW has to worry about game balance, stability and a helluva a lot of different things. They're trying to develop a game not make an addition to it, that's worlds apart. I don't know why people have a hard time understanding that.

None of the things listed affect game balance. Also, that is a straw man, we aren't talking about any of that. We were talking about new features recently added to the game. My point was, the features they recently added, minus the main story line quest stuff, was already done by Mods within a week, the first week or so of EA actually, so its not really an impressive feat or improvement and is nothing to hold up and say: "SEE THEY ARE DOING THINGS"

 

[StewVader]

People aren't complaining just because the game doesn't match their current expectations. People are complaining because it's becoming more and more apparent that the game will never reach even the lowest expectations that a lot of players had.
When a game or any other project nears completion, it is exceptionally rare that it gets "better" in a broad design sense, usually you just get gaps being filled in, and you can usually tell quite accurately whether a game will ever be good eventually, given of course that the same people are working on it.

They had 10 years to create a good gameplay loop and learn all the lessons from Warband, but they didn't. Now they've had over an entire year of gameplay feedback but they're basically ignoring the majority of it, and seem happy to just add new features and make minor balance changes when the entire design of the game is awful in so many fundamental ways. If they can't see these issues now, they never will.

Yeah bro. This is stated perfectly.

 

[froggyluv]

None of the things listed affect game balance. Also, that is a straw man, we aren't talking about any of that. We were talking about new features recently added to the game. My point was, the features they recently added, minus the main story line quest stuff, was already done by Mods within a week, the first week or so of EA actually, so its not really an impressive feat or improvement and is nothing to hold up and say: "SEE THEY ARE DOING THINGS"

How is that a straw man? You keep stating the things you wanted were implemented within a week by modders and he stated that it is far easier for modders to hack on a quick fix. You may disagree with the difficulty of it but it does not make his argument invalid.

 

[Tork789]

They need to make a like button like the paradox people did, so I can like the op's post. Need to be some way to show support without having post.

 

[StewVader]

How is that a straw man? You keep stating the things you wanted were implemented within a week by modders and he stated that it is far easier for modders to hack on a quick fix. You may disagree with the difficulty of it but it does not make his argument invalid.

The original argument was, Cheering is one of the best new features added to the game.

I argued that cheering was, in my opinion, the only new thing added to the new game in recent patches.

The counter argument was, other features such as New main storyline content, world map conversation screens, and choosing your troops to raid hideouts is also new content added in recent patches.

I argued, beside the new main storyline stuff, those new features had mod support within a week of release. Thus, not impressive.

Its a straw man because none of those features affect balance or stability.

 

[StewVader]

LOL I making points about stuff that you bring up how the hell is that straw man?

Not sure why you are LOLing. Its a straw man because none of the discussed features affect balance or stability.