The whole ‘whine situation’ and a general community health analysis

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Nordous

Sergeant Knight
Normally I wouldn’t feel like making a new thread with the Forum currently being as littered with all sorts of nonsense as it is now but with the existing degree of abuse I decided that it won’t make much difference if I share some of my thoughts for the sake of amusement.

So, people rant. Let’s face it, people go ape****. People act like freaking lunatics about Bannerlord. Is that a problem?

Well, at first I was rather upset by these post. After all, people do display inappropriate behavior! The first impulse for a reasonable response is to remind the ranters that there is a very explicit disclaimer that the game is nowhere near its intended state and people SHOULD NOT buy it until they are 100% sure they are ok with playing a mid-developed game without a definite completion deadline, etc, etc. Remind yet again and again. The game as a commodity is yet non-e-xis-tant, just as some new Netflix show you are waiting for is not out yet, a fiction book is not printed, a new flavour of your favourite cereal is not on the store shelves yet and it is in no way obliged to be.

But then myself I discovered that a chill pill is a thing (I actually suggest that you try it if you’re like me). After that I gradually became to enjoy these rant-post and even share the most hilarious quotes with my friends so we can enjoy them together.

Finally, at the third stage I started to think. Why are people acting like this? Is this unique to Bannerlord? And, as far as I can see, it is. Which turns out to be a good thing.

As a fact, people get zealous about a semi-indie video-game. I conclude that this is somewhat unprecedented. People got excited about World of Warcraft, GTA, Skyrim, yes. People have made YouTube videos of them dreaming of desired features and content for bunch of good games. But being THIS excited to go beyond all reasonable frustration over insanely inflated expectations to loose sleep and experience a spectrum of strong emotions, bordering with delirium, transmitted through various, various literal opuses before the game is even out? I can’t recall.

Conclusions? We are dealing with something unique in the field of creative and experimental community gaming. The game dev history is being written as we proudly witness. Let us pity the feeble minds of the weak who cannot hold to their sanity in the coming of Bannerlord.
 
Sorry but your conclusion is wrong. Angry and toxic gamers are a thing since the internet exists.
AFAIK Taleworlds didn't receive any death threats yet which is a good sign that the community loves them.
 
Sorry but your conclusion is wrong. Angry and toxic gamers are a thing since the internet exists.
AFAIK Taleworlds didn't receive any death threats yet which is a good sign that the community loves them.
That's cool to know!
 
I think it's a good spread between "guy needs help", "nobody knows how this works", "Is this a bug or a feature?" and "I'm mad fix it"/"I'm mad finish it"

that the game is nowhere near its intended state
This is actually a point of contention and worry to many players. Is it going to change alot or is it going to very slowly change a tiny bit?
Alot of our complaints and worries are over if certain changes we want will in fact ever be made or are we mostly stuck with things we really don't like in the game.
people SHOULD NOT buy it until they are 100% sure
Way too late bro, everyone who ever played warband and probably their best friend, already bought it.

I feel there's alot of levels and depth to Bannerlord frustration. The more you play, the more you know, there's more frustration but also more hope.
 
I have a question to everybody who whine about Bannerlord: did you come back to Warband?
 
I have a question to everybody who whine about Bannerlord: did you come back to Warband?
Doesn't really take away from the fact that you'll either get extremely bored or frustrated when you play Bannerlord. The only thing it has going for it right now is the combat and graphics. Of course its in EA and I hope they add more features etc.. but my hope goes down every single day.
 
Nordous said:
that the game is nowhere near its intended state
This is actually a point of contention and worry to many players. Is it going to change alot or is it going to very slowly change a tiny bit?
Alot of our complaints and worries are over if certain changes we want will in fact ever be made or are we mostly stuck with things we really don't like in the game.

My dudes, we have to accept that we are going to enjoy:

  • satisfactory vanilla Bannerlord around mid-2021
  • some minor mods and fairly tuned vanilla Bannerlord in 2022
  • half-baked total conversion LoTR, ASoIaF, Pendor, Medieval Europe, Ancient Rome etc mods in 2023
  • expanded total conversion mods and add-ons 2024-2030.

It is currently 2020. It's a fact. We just have to face it. I beg you all, find something else to do and do your best not to play Bannerlord for a while. This will not hurt Taleworlds.

The fact that many people prefer ranting about Bannerlord instead of actually exploring and enjoying other games speaks a lot though.
 
Hopefully once the mod tools get released a lot of the anger should die down. Majority of people will stop focusing on TW's development and start focusing on the mods they want to play, meaning Taleworlds can carry on in the background like they do and we get to play some fat cock modifications and not have to constantly wonder about the next patch or lack of content etc.
 
They need to make a like button like the paradox people did, so I can like the op's post. Need to be some way to show support without having post. I agree a lot with the op, but like others said. This is not unique. Read the paradox gaming forums. You will see a lot of *****ing
 
I have a question to everybody who whine about Bannerlord: did you come back to Warband?

I still play Warband somewhat regularly. It is probably the reason I complain less about Bannerlord.
 
I think everyone prefers constructive criticism, but that doesn't mean that it's never justified to call TW out for their, let's call it "development strategy".

Banners will be making a return at a later date after some changes and improvements, but right now they are low-priority for us.
What is high priority? Sorry if I sound like a pest but I keep hearing low priority every time someone asks about a feature, or at least it seems like it.

Stability, performance, and missing mechanics and features. Banners are something that look pretty but don't currently affect gameplay, so for us, that is low-priority.

Callum some time later in a dev video:
Callum 说:
"A number of cosmetic emotes have been added to the game to allow players to celebrate their victory alongside their troops."
"Currently this is only available in singeplayer."

Excuse me you did the what now? You added something completely useless I would assume the majority of SP players don't care about instead of an actual feature or game system. Take your stinking emotes and shove them into MP where they belong.
 
My dudes, we have to accept that we are going to enjoy:

  • satisfactory vanilla Bannerlord around mid-2021
  • some minor mods and fairly tuned vanilla Bannerlord in 2022
  • half-baked total conversion LoTR, ASoIaF, Pendor, Medieval Europe, Ancient Rome etc mods in 2023
  • expanded total conversion mods and add-ons 2024-2030.

It is currently 2020. It's a fact. We just have to face it. I beg you all, find something else to do and do your best not to play Bannerlord for a while. This will not hurt Taleworlds.

The fact that many people prefer ranting about Bannerlord instead of actually exploring and enjoying other games speaks a lot though.

Kind of a dumb comment. Those things are not mutually exclusive. Meaning, one can rant about how disappointing, linear, and boring Bannerlord is and also enjoy other games.
 
I think everyone prefers constructive criticism, but that doesn't mean that it's never justified to call TW out for their, let's call it "development strategy".






Callum some time later in a dev video:


Excuse me you did the what now? You added something completely useless I would assume the majority of SP players don't care about instead of an actual feature or game system. Take your stinking emotes and shove them into MP where they belong.

They're priorities are opaque to the community, nebulous and inconsistent. This is what happens when they refuse to make an actual roadmap for development or even talk about the things they are working on, or thinking about doing.
 
Doesn't really take away from the fact that you'll either get extremely bored or frustrated when you play Bannerlord. The only thing it has going for it right now is the combat and graphics. Of course its in EA and I hope they add more features etc.. but my hope goes down every single day.
It's not just combat and graphics. The UI, encyclopaedia, inventory, clan creation, QOL stuff, trading is also way better. There are just a few very minor features from Warband missing like reading books or learning poems...
 
It's not just combat and graphics. The UI, encyclopaedia, inventory, clan creation, QOL stuff, trading is also way better. There are just a few very minor features from Warband missing like reading books or learning poems...

I'm really not sure what game you are playing. The UI is bad (for a 2020 game), the encyclopedia is not really any different, it just looks better. Inventory? What are you even babelfisching about? QOL stuff - LOL. C'mon bro. No one is buying this nonsense, we've all played it for hundreds of hours now, the emperor has no clothes, no matter what you say.
 
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