The Turkish Army in Syria 2019

[Looter31]

You literaly have no idea what kemalism is innit

 

[Anarion]

I know exactly what it is. Look at my username if you are in doubt.

 

[Looter31]

So why it suprises you that as a kemalist I say I am not certain that I am a muslim, I am in a questioning stage AND even if I was full muslim I would never be part of a religous fanatic cult

 

[Is Milse Póg]

ethnicaly cleansed north east Syria from arabs in order to create fake kurdistan.

That's not true. As far as I know, most of the SDF was, and still is an Arab majority region.  Turkmen and Assyrians (along with other Aramaic-speaking communities) minorities also live in certain areas along with the Kurds and Arabs. Kurds only make up the majority in a relatively small area of the territory controlled by the SDF, as you can see in this map of Kurdistan:

I hope their fate will be the same as their cousins(armenians)

Are you low-key admitting the Armenian genocide?

 

[Looter31]

I said I hope they suffer the same fate as their cousins greeks and armenians who were EXILED from our land for cooperating with our enemies and commiting war crimes to kurds and turks.
Kurds make mostly %5 of Syria yet america Gave them the controll of %30of Syria in a golden plate. Coincidencaly that land is the most natural gas rich land of Syria. Plus dont Come to me with they did the fight against isis bull****,everyone that follows Syria from reliable sources and HAS A BRAIN know thats bullcrap

 

[finde]

Great, looking forward to hearing all about various war crimes they definitely won't commit.

I saw a report earlier this morning of three girls "at least 10 years old" that were taken, repeatedly raped, and then dumped out in the desert by Turkish troops. Didn't take long.

Where? How? Turkey just started the operetions.

The US pulled out of north eastern Syria and just left the YPG at the mercy of the Turks, who will most likely brutally kill them for being "terrorists" when they were the most dependable local group in the fight against ISIL.

If they aren't terrorist then why Turkey is attacking there? Because of the they are Kurds? Nope, Turkey government and people doesn't hate Kurds, already 15 million of 80 million population Turkey citizens are Kurds. Because of the land? Nope. The land is poorly developed and quite unstable. I doubt that any country would want that land for annexation.

The main aim for the operation is regional security. If the region become more safe and stable Turkey can resend some of 5 million refugees to back their land. Which is quite a load for Turkish economy.

Let me share a summary image.

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[Is Milse Póg]

I said I hope they suffer the same fate as their cousins greeks and armenians who were EXILED from our land for cooperating with our enemies and commiting war crimes to kurds and turks.
Kurds make mostly %5 of Syria yet america Gave them the controll of %30of Syria in a golden plate. Coincidencaly that land is the most natural gas rich land of Syria. Plus dont Come to me with they did the fight against isis bull****,everyone that follows Syria from reliable sources and HAS A BRAIN know thats bullcrap

"Exiled"... Say no more, the Nazis also "exiled" the Jews. You can find some pics of the "exiled" Pontic Greek and Armenians online. Don't forget the Assyrians too. Besides, even if those are real expulsions that you speak of, and not Ottoman "expulsions", they would still be large-scale war crimes.

Plus, America didn't give them control of those areas, but they conquered them from Assad, ISIS and other Islamist groups. But regardless, this is irrelevant when it comes to the legitimacy of Turkey's imperial ambitions in Syria.

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I see Erdogan started producing his very own hasbara. Congrats. But anyway:
That quote really has "WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH" vibes. I have no clue what Erdogan and his benevolent army are planning, but seeing that the Kurdish areas in Syria are all in his "security belt", then maybe they are going to pull a Young Turks.

 

[Adorno]

Keep it civil.

 

[kurczak]

I hope their fate will be the same as their cousins(armenians) if you side with westerners and tease Turkey when you have western support, we all know what happens when West is bored of their toy and leaves it. Thats when the fun begins.

You are too butthurt ****ing greek lol we killed and raped your people and we live in your cities. We converted your biggest churches to mosques and we disrespect your ancient cities with buildings. Get over it broke ******

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[Dante.]

Jeeez, things escalated since I posted. Well, that was a fun thread.

 

[Orion]

If they aren't terrorist then why Turkey is attacking there? Because of the they are Kurds? Nope, Turkey government and people doesn't hate Kurds, already 15 million of 80 million population Turkey citizens are Kurds. Because of the land? Nope. The land is poorly developed and quite unstable. I doubt that any country would want that land for annexation.

Systematic oppression of Kurdish language & culture in Turkey since the 1920s has determined that to be a lie. You've also got a comrade saying it's the most natural gas-rich region in Syria, so is the land worthless or not? Figure it out.

 

[finde]

Systematic oppression of Kurdish language & culture in Turkey since the 1920s has determined that to be a lie.

I can't totally deny this. But not from 1920's its started from 60's. And nowadays you can't say there is an oppression. And it wasn't much as you mentioned.

You've also got a comrade saying it's the most natural gas-rich region in Syria, so is the land worthless or not? Figure it out.

Also if you check this link you can see most of the natural gas resources are in the east not the north. And even in 2010(in 2010 brent crude oil was 90$, now less than 60$) all the petroleum income of the Syria was 3.2 B$. This amount is almost nothing for Turkey economy. In the northern part even should be less than a billion dollar per year. Turkey losing so much more for the refugees and going against to USA. In any case Turkey will spend and already spent tens of times more what it gains.

 

[Orion]

There are recorded massacres of Kurds in Turkey in the '30s which even Erdogan has publicly apologized for. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15857429

Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned and Kurdish-populated regions placed under martial law until 1946. Kurds weren't even recognized as Kurds until the '80s, they were called "Mountain Turks." http://countrystudies.us/turkey/26.htm

Political groups representing Kurdish interests have been banned starting in the '90s. https://books.google.com/books?id=8MTVBgAAQBAJ

 

[Anarion]

So why it suprises you that as a kemalist I say I am not certain that I am a muslim, I am in a questioning stage AND even if I was full muslim I would never be part of a religous fanatic cult

What surprises me is that someone who claims to be a kemalist would disrespect Mustafa Kemal to the point of denying his divinity.

 

[Hobeto13]

There are recorded massacres of Kurds in Turkey in the '30s which even Erdogan has publicly apologized for. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15857429

Dersim revolts used to appeal Kurdish electors for years. It was the time when Erdoğan appealed Kurdish electors because of political environment. Explaining Dersim as an act of oppression against Kurdish population is pure hypocrisy considering revolts that are caused by "landowners" gathering local population to defend "their landowners rights' to own the land", not the right of Kurdish population itself.

 

[Cheffy]

Turkish army enters northern eastern Syria to stop pkk from killin innocent people??

I'm a sucker for political scientists 

 

[kurczak]

until the '80s, they were called "Mountain Turks." http://countrystudies.us/turkey/26.htm

Aren't all Turks mountain Turks?

 

[BenKenobi]

Can HATO now get rid of Turkey pls?

 

[Almalexia]

Ah yes, the ole "no take backs" principle of international treaty law.

 

[Princess Mikoto]

Is it really so hard to believe that an army actually could fight for peace and justice?!
In a fictional world, where superpowers would exist, we would have no superheroe groups like the Avengers, if this above was the case in this world.

Please give sources on what you are writing, else it is just ****chat. (I, hypocritically, am not giving any sources because I reckon it is common wikipedia knowledge)

Dersim rebellion - thought we would just let them take what is ours?!
PKK, decades of terrorism, bombings that resulted in civilian casualties, drug, organ and human trafficking! You would think that a terrorist organization, operating in small numbers in various locations, could avoid huge and inhuman actions and target individuals... but then they would not be a terrorist organization now and the acts of violence not terrorism, it would be war!
Now on our border, with the weapons they got from the various global powers, they displace Syrians, which we are hosting as temporary refugees...

But Turkey is evil. For sure is. Most evil. Only evil. Evil evil. **** muslims, am I right?! I am not for religion, fun fact! If there is one thing I know, that is that our national culture since Atatürk is build around science, nationalism and most importantly love!
Peace and Love on the Planet Earth is what a real Turk is looking for, not war!
Now what being a Turk is all about, is another topic...

If you are going to say that some Turkish soldiers commited crimes and abused, please share the link with it! If there is a link to it, the criminals and abusers are most likely already known! And if they are known, they will be prosecuted and sent to jail!

TL;DR Kill any globally powerful nations people -> This means war!  ;  Kill Turkish people -> We will sanction you if you take any actions against those terrorist we are funding!