The Syrian Civil War. Do you support a side?

[rebelknight]

And?
Somehow being natives make you deserve to have a better chance in the ever changing world of languages and cultures?

Everyone come from Africa according to Historian.
Everyone are immigrants except for the native African themselves.

Sami might arrived in Scandinavia first but they don't own it.
Nobody does.

It belong to itself, Sami just settled on it first.

 

[rebelknight]

When Humans will go extinct, the Earth will move on without us.

And maybe a new species will rise and settle on it. They still wont own it.

 

[omzdog]

My guy we have this thing called international law.
Protection of indigenous languages is recognized by the UN under the UNDRIP.
French Quebec is not an indigenous language and its parent language is not endangered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_on_the_Rights_of_Indigenous_Peoples

 

[rebelknight]

I don't give a **** about the French language.
Stop talking about it.

My point is that languages and cultures are ever changing.
Putting money into protecting it is pointless and just slowing the inevitable.

In a few hundred years, english itself will be beyond recognition by us (just like old english is completly different from current English) and we wont live to see it.

Nationalism is pointless.

 

[Beny]

Yeah I've got to agree with Rebel. As far as I'm concerned language is a means of communication and if it serves that need sufficiently then who cares if it gets bastardised?

 

[omzdog]

No this too is a failure to understand the current conditions.
Old English didn't have the modern tools to standardize and maintain its preservation.
Modern English however does, so its unlikely that it will change much in 100 years.
At least if it does, those changes will be superficial.

Apart from that side note, we are not talking about bastardization of a language.
That is a natural process, we are talking about preservation of independent languages such as the Sami dialects.
Or otherwise lingicide which is for the most part an unnatural process.
So...

Somehow being natives make you deserve to have a better chance in the ever changing world of languages and cultures?

To answer this, yes it does, because we understand the historical context of colonial imperialism, especially in the Sami context of Norweganization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegianization

 

[Wellenbrecher]

Discontinued in the 1980s... geezus.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

I also agree with Rebel. It's sad when old grannies say stuff like "we can no longer understand our grandchildren" or whatever, but I would go so far as to say that obscure micro-languages should be actively phased out.

Lingicide is the natural side-effect of <24 hour travel between any two points on the planet. In most developed and developing countries the standard dialect has obliterated many of the regional variants, not because of direct imperialism like your norway example, but because most people want high paying centralised jobs and thus everyone learns to speak a simplified amalgam of the entire linguistic group. In many cases the government didn't even have to force this on people, it just happened alongside industrialisation.

 

[omzdog]

I wouldn't call Sami a 'failed language'.
I think that's what got me going.
No language is a failure.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

You're speaking one right now.

The viability and usability of the language is somewhat irrelevant and that's kind of my point. English is a total arbitrary mess but it was spoken by people who conquered a lot of the world so it's now a very useful language to speak. Latin is a highly logical and unambiguous language but the roman bureaucracy chose greek instead so the language is no longer useful.

 

[omzdog]

Lack of perceived order doesn't imply a failure in linguistic value.
Languages aren't supposed to be utilities of logic.

 

[MrMundy]

That's not how that states work though. Dividing already economically depleted regions into even more states will just ruin entire regions. Sure, try it. It won't work though.

Well yeah, of course a Sami nation for instance wouldn't work out very well, but the point is that they are free to try.

Like the catalans? Blowing **** up?
Or what do yoi mean with "try"?

 

[rebelknight]

Through whatever means they find appropriate. It can be armed conflict, and usually is, but it doesn't have to be, for instance India managed just fine with their non-violence approach, or how the various countries of Tsarist Russia or the Soviet Union just left once they got the chance.

 

[MrMundy]

Heh? So it's fine to blow up people for a completly retarded, useless/terrible target which will get reversed after a few years anyways?

 

[AreJohn]

Heh? So it's fine to blow up people for a completly retarded, useless/terrible target which will get reversed after a few years anyways?

Nothing is fine, though plenty of things are possible.

 

[Beny]

Nothing is fine

What about your mum?

 

[Bluehawk]

Past her prime, I'm afraid.

 

[ColonicAcid]

More experience boy.

 

[Radalan]

Don't pity for them.

I pity fools who don't understand how military coalitions and alliances work.

Turkey is a member of NATO and supposedly a United States ally, but for more than a year now, Erdogan has been bombing and shelling the Kurdish militias of Syria, even though they are fighting side-by-side with about 1,000 American troops in a campaign to liberate Raqqa, the ISIS capital. At the same time, Kurdish peshmerga forces are supporting the American-managed Mosul offensive in neighboring Iraq.

 

[AreJohn]

There's no limits to a proxy party.