The Syrian Civil War. Do you support a side?

[Temuzu]

The Kurds have a right to self-determination.

Then you have to give every people their own lil' piss state which will get bombed in 2 days and be an economic catastroph.

IMO, every people has the right to pursue self-determination, but it's not a right to have self-determination. It's a privilege that's ideally earned, not given. Ergo, there's no more wrong in Kurds trying to create a state for themselves than there is in Novorussians or whatever they're called trying to secede from Ukraine.

 

[crodio]

"right" makes no sense in this context

 

[tintontoe]

Unrelated but, I wonder how many of those ISIL votes on this thread's poll were before and after they started being comically evil.

Always when I entered this thread I've assumed that I voted Kurds, but now I realize that I apparently voted ISIL. Probably cus memes.

 

[Almalexia]

Too late, your loyalties have already been noted. The squad is on its way, terrorist scum.

 

[omzdog]

Your kaffir ears can't resist the Arabic tongue.

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[Cyborg Eastern European]

隐藏: Map of Europe if all separatist movements were successful. Yeah lets turn entire Europe to HRE times, we could crown Merkel as the 1st Empress of newly founded reich.

Nit because I don't give a **** about being late and I'm fairly certain I saw ground zero for that map:
It may be somewhat overcooked, with not all of the used movements actually being or having been separatist in nature.
Also, that map is less than a year old, so Ukraine is kinda...funny...looking.


And now for a personal statement: I can blame absolutely nobody for wanting to secede from a Turkish state.

 

[ErkutErdem]

Yeah Ukraine turned into a mess after that map. I blame the map.

 

[Cyborg Eastern European]

Nononono, you misunderstand: Ukraine predates the map.

 

[ErkutErdem]

I blame the reddit user named donheart. Wonder why its like that.

 

[Cioss]

And now for a personal statement: I can blame absolutely nobody for wanting to secede from a Turkish state.

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Red: Turkish Republic of Anatolia
Green: Islamic Republic of Anatolia
Yellow: Well, you can understand that.

The thing is, even leftists of Turkey are some kind of patriots. Unlike seperatists, most of the population -including state supporter Kurds- wants a unified, solid country.

We always talk about terrorists but Greece taking our islands on the west time by time. Yet, that's not directly about Syria so let's pass that.

 

[MrMundy]

The Kurds have a right to self-determination.

Then you have to give every people their own lil' piss state which will get bombed in 2 days and be an economic catastroph.

IMO, every people has the right to pursue self-determination, but it's not a right to have self-determination. It's a privilege that's ideally earned, not given. Ergo, there's no more wrong in Kurds trying to create a state for themselves than there is in Novorussians or whatever they're called trying to secede from Ukraine.

That's not how that states work though. Dividing already economically depleted regions into even more states will just ruin entire regions. Sure, try it. It won't work though.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

IMO, every people has the right to pursue self-determination, but it's not a right to have self-determination. It's a privilege that's ideally earned...

...through armed conflict against the parent country? By doing chores for the parent country until someone decides they're enough of a good boy to go out on their own? I don't understand this phrasing.

 

[Temuzu]

Through whatever means they find appropriate. It can be armed conflict, and usually is, but it doesn't have to be, for instance India managed just fine with their non-violence approach, or how the various countries of Tsarist Russia or the Soviet Union just left once they got the chance.

That's not how that states work though. Dividing already economically depleted regions into even more states will just ruin entire regions. Sure, try it. It won't work though.

Well yeah, of course a Sami nation for instance wouldn't work out very well, but the point is that they are free to try.

 

[rebelknight]

FREE THE SAMI!
SAMI REVOLT NOW!

 

[omzdog]

A Sami nation would work just fine.
They have their own parliament right now.

 

[Temuzu]

I know they like to pretend like they'd survive without the various Nordic governments throwing money at them to keep their failure of a language alive, but I was thinking economically more than anything. The 100 000 or so Sami living in Lappland couldn't support themselves very well with the land they'd have IMO.

 

[rebelknight]

Languages shouldn't protected anyway.
And that's comming from a Quebecois.

Cultures and languages come and go, if your language can't survive on its own, putting money at it will just slow the death but not prevent it.
Just learn a new language and accept that your culture is dying.

Only point i agree with Temuzu.
But i also think cultures shouldn't be protected either, that include white cultures.
If your culture can't survive the test of times then it was meant to be killed off.
Since Temuzu is a white nationalist, i think we disagree on this.

 

[omzdog]

Failure of a language?
The Sami and Kven people have been living in the area since before the Nordic peoples.
What exactly are you trying to say by stating they can't support themselves?
Warning

Just learn a new language and accept that your culture is dying.

That's one of the worst arguments I've heard in my entire life, no hyperbole.
Specific to the Sami people, they're culture and language are endangered but its not to the degree that you believe.

 

[rebelknight]

Hey, Quebec French is dying due to the English language and our culture is dying because our proximity to the USA.

What can we do about it? whine and hope the USA crumble?
Playing language police and putting money to protect the French language is just slowing the inevitable.

Better be pragmatic about it, learn a new language to get an advantage over those that refuse to accept the inevitable.
We have a VERY low population, give us 20-30 more years of globalization and Quebec French is dead.

I choose to accept it.

 

[omzdog]

Quebec French is not an indigenous language.
Sami and Kven are autochthonous.
The comparison to their linguicide is null.