The State of Immersion (or lack there-of)

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Ananda_The_Destroyer

Master Knight
Excellent post!

There is nothing that has made me want to shoot myself more then feasts
You no like you no go. Yes I admit making NPCs act in non-idiot ways seems to already be a challenge in BL development, but feasts still need to be in the game!

I disagree with this too Im sorry but letting someone be retarded and do nothing unless its your turn absolutely ****s the vassal gameplay especially since the player is rarely chosen so you have to rely on retarded AI not to mention that this with feasts would **** up the mechanic
the player is rarely chosen
No the player should always be chosen in WB unless the player is full on nooby-dooby-doo all over the place!
The real value of being the Marshal is sabotaging your faction so when you turn on them they're in a very compromised state.
Trying to rely on marshalship (or vassals) to take fiefs for yourself or such is nooby-dooby-do stuff! Let AI fight AI and bring a real force for sieging and blowout battles.

Is see Marshals doesn't mix well with the army mechanic in BL but I still think there should be at least an option for the player faction leader to appoint one, maybe they could fallow an agenda the ruler sets forth and spend the rulers influence to summon vassals or such?

I would really like to be able to set my #2 on an agenda that compliments my own attack.
 

HugoTheFrenchMan

Master Knight
Excellent post!


You no like you no go. Yes I admit making NPCs act in non-idiot ways seems to already be a challenge in BL development, but feasts still need to be in the game!


the player is rarely chosen
No the player should always be chosen in WB unless the player is full on nooby-dooby-doo all over the place!
The real value of being the Marshal is sabotaging your faction so when you turn on them they're in a very compromised state.
Trying to rely on marshalship (or vassals) to take fiefs for yourself or such is nooby-dooby-do stuff! Let AI fight AI and bring a real force for sieging and blowout battles.

Is see Marshals doesn't mix well with the army mechanic in BL but I still think there should be at least an option for the player faction leader to appoint one, maybe they could fallow an agenda the ruler sets forth and spend the rulers influence to summon vassals or such?

I would really like to be able to set my #2 on an agenda that compliments my own attack.
In my game time as a vassal despite being the most influential I was chosen once for one day while the AI constantly calls you just for them to not be in the place they were gathering and you realise no they're not attacking they're going deeper into friendly territory
 

Revverie

Bro we have made like 5/6 threads about this, countless suggestions, ideas, critiques, but NONE of them were adressed by devs, none of them had an answer, and Im not lying. I've come to the thought that they just don't care about it, or if they do it's only in a very superficial way that doesn't goes beyond some little dialog and barbers. I wouldn't expect nothing to immerse ourselves in native, mods will bring that in.
 

black_bulldog

Knight at Arms
WBWF&SVC
Ransom Brokers
  • Right now, you can sell prisoners to any city, some might consider this an improvement, but personally I liked that you weren't guaranteed to be able to sell your prisoners. It made storing prisoners in dungeons an actual useful thing, so you could sell them later when a ransom broker was closer to your fief. Not always being able to sell prisoners also encourages you to venture out to the world to find them, getting you in all kinds of trouble.
I agree with all the rest of the post but this I have to disagree with. There was nothing more frustrating for me then going from town to town looking for a ransom broker.
 
I agree with all the rest of the post but this I have to disagree with. There was nothing more frustrating for me then going from town to town looking for a ransom broker.

I only sell prisoners because of rogue skill increase. Otherwise, if that was taken off I would like to execute them every time for other bonuses.
 

Dabos37

Sergeant Knight at Arms
The State of Immersion: Bannerlord Edition

While playing through Bannerlord, I really feel like it's lacking a lot of the immersion and cohesion (features working in conjunction) that I find in Warband. That's not to say that I feel the game is bad, it's still good but it has so much more potential that I'm sure will come with time. Let me get straight in to it.

If any of the things I mentioned down below are already in the game, and I haven't noticed already let me know. Also reply with your own opinions or thoughts. I apologize in advance if these points have already been mentioned before or are in someway incorrect.
  • Offer of vassalage
    • In Warband, if you earned a decent amount of renown and didn't belong to a Kingdom already, there was a chance you would receive a letter offering you a place as a vassal in x Kingdom. While I doubt it was a route many players took, it was there and it added a decision for you to make, one that could completely change the direction of your playthrough. As far as I know, this doesn't exist in Bannerlord.
  • Lords defecting to your Kingdom
    • I could be wrong on this one, but it feels like Clans don't defect to your own Kingdom? In Warband it felt pretty good to see a Lord leave their Kingdom and sit in your capital, for them to ASK YOU to join your Kingdom, once again adding choices to your playthrough and allowing you to grow your Kingdom without passing a bunch of skill checks and always having to make the first move.
  • Companions, companions, companions!
    • In Warband, each companion felt, looked and behaved uniquely. Companions had their backstories, base skills and personality types that would lead them to quarrel with each other. Yet again, adding choices to which companions you choose as you don't want them all hating each other, leading them to hate being apart of your party and ultimately ditching you. Doing certain actions such as raiding or failing quests would upset some companions but not others. Right now, they just feel like named soldiers that'll go along with anything, I barely care about who I pickup as long as they can fulfill a clan role that isn't occupied already.
  • Feasts/Tournaments
    • It was a meme, but now that they're gone, I miss them. They were an easy way to introduce yourself to all of the Lords in your (or another) Kingdom, get quests and meet ladies (Dedicating a Tournament victory to them also). Tournaments would be held when feasts were on-going, and thus allowed you to fight against Lords and not just a random pool of soldiers. Tournaments were a slightly more rare occurrence than what they are in Bannerlord, I feel like there is an abundance of Tournaments going on at any given time, allowing players to quickly rack up gold and items that you couldn't otherwise get so quickly. A Tournament in Warband felt like a great opportunity to get that extra income and renown, now it just feels like what I should be doing all the time making the gameplay loop quite repetitive, especially early-game. It just feels cheap. Feasts would also be good distraction for Lords, and allows for some tactics to be had, you could strike when the enemy was most vulnerable.
  • Armour Effectiveness/Feel
    • For context, I play with all realistic settings. I couldn't help but feel like as I acquired better and better armor, that it really didn't make much of a difference. Looters were throwing pebbles at me, taking a sizable chunk of my health with some of the most top-tier pieces of armor in the game. The game feels like it caters more towards quantity rather than quality when it comes to armies. In Warband, if I had a small band of elite tier troops, you bet your ass I could take on more enemies than usual. You could feel the difference so much more in Warband as you acquired better gear or upgraded your troops to the higher tiers. Armor also feels quite same-y, when you strike someone in full plate, it feels exactly the same as when I hit someone in leather. In Warband, when you try to swing a sword at full plate, they feel tanky and clanky.
  • Personality Types / Traits
    • In Bannerlord, there is suppose to be different traits people can have, though it doesn't feel like it's integrated into anything. All of the NPCs feel exactly the same and I don't feel as though I'm treated any differently based on how much Valor/Honor/Dishonesty/any other trait I may or may not have. The trait system doesn't feel cohesive with the rest of the game at all. I never get told when I receive a trait, and there's no indicators of how making a certain choice or choosing a certain dialog option will effect my traits. I feel the system could be great once it's implemented properly. Warband had a much simpler system of an Honor Rating for the player, and the NPCs had certain personality types that would react differently based on the players honor, relation and previous actions. I feel as though the Bannerlord system has much more potential than Warbands, but right now it seems useless.
  • Marshals and Marshalship
    • I can only describe having Marshals in Warband as being cool. It added another layer to the hierarchy in the factions, giving one Lord that extra bit of power and respect over the others, allowing them to call upon all the other Lords of the realm to go on a campaign. This feels so much more immersive than "Lord x has made an army, join it if you want, if not no worries, decisions don't matter". In Warband, you were SUMMONED by your Marshal, and if you didn't follow through then there were consequences. Furthermore, being offered Marshalship felt rewarding, it also felt risky as you now had a lot of responsibility. Now it just feels like: "okay let me spend this arbitrary number (influence) to force some NPCs to follow me".
  • Tavern NPCs
    • Ransom Brokers
      • Right now, you can sell prisoners to any city, some might consider this an improvement, but personally I liked that you weren't guaranteed to be able to sell your prisoners. It made storing prisoners in dungeons an actual useful thing, so you could sell them later when a ransom broker was closer to your fief. Not always being able to sell prisoners also encourages you to venture out to the world to find them, getting you in all kinds of trouble.
    • Wandering Minstrels
      • In Warband, these fine men could teach you poems, which you could later use to help woo a certain lady. This would help alot in Bannerlord because there is literally nothing you can do to boost relations lol.
    • Book Merchants
      • Book Merchants added another layer of depth to Warband, allowing you to read books to gain permanent or passive bonuses to your attributes. These would become very useful late game.
    • Travelers
      • These NPCs helped you find all of the above NPCs, plus your companions if they were captured or lost somehow. Right now everything is readily available in your encyclopedia, as if you have telepathic knowledge of everyone's location, nothing is less immersion breaking than that. I'm sure people don't mind it, but it would be cool to at-least have a realism option for this kind of stuff.
    • Quest NPCs
      • Occasionally in Warband you would find a farmer in a city tavern looking for someone to help his village that is infested with bandits. Adding more hidden away Quest NPCs in Taverns could add a lot to immersion and encourage exploration.


I'm sure there's plenty of more things that seem missing in Bannerlord that Warband had, and maybe not all of them are good and maybe even some of the points I mentioned above aren't good for Bannerlord, but the absence of all of them combined leaves me with an experience that is nowhere near as immersive as Warband. I look forward to the improvements that will come in the upcoming patches.

Great post mate. I do not completely agree because I do not miss marshals but you have made a lot of good points. Bannerlord is actually a pretty good game but lacking immersion is probably one of the biggest complains people have now. Everything feels too casual, repetitive and without any impact. I am especially against tournaments difficulty and availability, there too much tournaments and they are extremely easy to win (being fair, Warband ones were also easy), I would really love to see much better AI in tournaments, more lords involved and less amount of tournaments in the world. Plus a system to know about ongoing tournaments, receiving an invitation or a NPC who tell us about ongoing tournaments.

Also agree with armor, while I do not find it useless, I think that armor does not feel good enough, especially against cut damage. Swords do too much damage to heavy armored units.

Concerning companions, it is a shame that fighters companions are useless in Bannerlord. I remember how great was to improve some companions skills and give them the best possible armor, and make them great Warriors. In Bannerlord this is impossible because it is pretty hard to leveling up and it is impossible to find high tier equipment and it is completely overpriced. Who the hell would expend 700-800K denars on equipment for each companion if he would die anyway pretty easy (plus this is a ridiculous and unrealistic amount of money)?
 

Moton

Squire
Where does the love to feasts come from? In every comparison post between Warband and Bannerlord these damn feasts come up. Personally I hated them.

That being said I want more RPG elements in Bannerlord.
 
The State of Immersion: Bannerlord Edition

While playing through Bannerlord, I really feel like it's lacking a lot of the immersion and cohesion (features working in conjunction) that I find in Warband. That's not to say that I feel the game is bad, it's still good but it has so much more potential that I'm sure will come with time. Let me get straight in to it.

If any of the things I mentioned down below are already in the game, and I haven't noticed already let me know. Also reply with your own opinions or thoughts. I apologize in advance if these points have already been mentioned before or are in someway incorrect.
  • Offer of vassalage
    • In Warband, if you earned a decent amount of renown and didn't belong to a Kingdom already, there was a chance you would receive a letter offering you a place as a vassal in x Kingdom. While I doubt it was a route many players took, it was there and it added a decision for you to make, one that could completely change the direction of your playthrough. As far as I know, this doesn't exist in Bannerlord.
  • Lords defecting to your Kingdom
    • I could be wrong on this one, but it feels like Clans don't defect to your own Kingdom? In Warband it felt pretty good to see a Lord leave their Kingdom and sit in your capital, for them to ASK YOU to join your Kingdom, once again adding choices to your playthrough and allowing you to grow your Kingdom without passing a bunch of skill checks and always having to make the first move.
  • Companions, companions, companions!
    • In Warband, each companion felt, looked and behaved uniquely. Companions had their backstories, base skills and personality types that would lead them to quarrel with each other. Yet again, adding choices to which companions you choose as you don't want them all hating each other, leading them to hate being apart of your party and ultimately ditching you. Doing certain actions such as raiding or failing quests would upset some companions but not others. Right now, they just feel like named soldiers that'll go along with anything, I barely care about who I pickup as long as they can fulfill a clan role that isn't occupied already.
  • Feasts/Tournaments
    • It was a meme, but now that they're gone, I miss them. They were an easy way to introduce yourself to all of the Lords in your (or another) Kingdom, get quests and meet ladies (Dedicating a Tournament victory to them also). Tournaments would be held when feasts were on-going, and thus allowed you to fight against Lords and not just a random pool of soldiers. Tournaments were a slightly more rare occurrence than what they are in Bannerlord, I feel like there is an abundance of Tournaments going on at any given time, allowing players to quickly rack up gold and items that you couldn't otherwise get so quickly. A Tournament in Warband felt like a great opportunity to get that extra income and renown, now it just feels like what I should be doing all the time making the gameplay loop quite repetitive, especially early-game. It just feels cheap. Feasts would also be good distraction for Lords, and allows for some tactics to be had, you could strike when the enemy was most vulnerable.
  • Armour Effectiveness/Feel
    • For context, I play with all realistic settings. I couldn't help but feel like as I acquired better and better armor, that it really didn't make much of a difference. Looters were throwing pebbles at me, taking a sizable chunk of my health with some of the most top-tier pieces of armor in the game. The game feels like it caters more towards quantity rather than quality when it comes to armies. In Warband, if I had a small band of elite tier troops, you bet your ass I could take on more enemies than usual. You could feel the difference so much more in Warband as you acquired better gear or upgraded your troops to the higher tiers. Armor also feels quite same-y, when you strike someone in full plate, it feels exactly the same as when I hit someone in leather. In Warband, when you try to swing a sword at full plate, they feel tanky and clanky.
  • Personality Types / Traits
    • In Bannerlord, there is suppose to be different traits people can have, though it doesn't feel like it's integrated into anything. All of the NPCs feel exactly the same and I don't feel as though I'm treated any differently based on how much Valor/Honor/Dishonesty/any other trait I may or may not have. The trait system doesn't feel cohesive with the rest of the game at all. I never get told when I receive a trait, and there's no indicators of how making a certain choice or choosing a certain dialog option will effect my traits. I feel the system could be great once it's implemented properly. Warband had a much simpler system of an Honor Rating for the player, and the NPCs had certain personality types that would react differently based on the players honor, relation and previous actions. I feel as though the Bannerlord system has much more potential than Warbands, but right now it seems useless.
  • Marshals and Marshalship
    • I can only describe having Marshals in Warband as being cool. It added another layer to the hierarchy in the factions, giving one Lord that extra bit of power and respect over the others, allowing them to call upon all the other Lords of the realm to go on a campaign. This feels so much more immersive than "Lord x has made an army, join it if you want, if not no worries, decisions don't matter". In Warband, you were SUMMONED by your Marshal, and if you didn't follow through then there were consequences. Furthermore, being offered Marshalship felt rewarding, it also felt risky as you now had a lot of responsibility. Now it just feels like: "okay let me spend this arbitrary number (influence) to force some NPCs to follow me".
  • Tavern NPCs
    • Ransom Brokers
      • Right now, you can sell prisoners to any city, some might consider this an improvement, but personally I liked that you weren't guaranteed to be able to sell your prisoners. It made storing prisoners in dungeons an actual useful thing, so you could sell them later when a ransom broker was closer to your fief. Not always being able to sell prisoners also encourages you to venture out to the world to find them, getting you in all kinds of trouble.
    • Wandering Minstrels
      • In Warband, these fine men could teach you poems, which you could later use to help woo a certain lady. This would help alot in Bannerlord because there is literally nothing you can do to boost relations lol.
    • Book Merchants
      • Book Merchants added another layer of depth to Warband, allowing you to read books to gain permanent or passive bonuses to your attributes. These would become very useful late game.
    • Travelers
      • These NPCs helped you find all of the above NPCs, plus your companions if they were captured or lost somehow. Right now everything is readily available in your encyclopedia, as if you have telepathic knowledge of everyone's location, nothing is less immersion breaking than that. I'm sure people don't mind it, but it would be cool to at-least have a realism option for this kind of stuff.
    • Quest NPCs
      • Occasionally in Warband you would find a farmer in a city tavern looking for someone to help his village that is infested with bandits. Adding more hidden away Quest NPCs in Taverns could add a lot to immersion and encourage exploration.


I'm sure there's plenty of more things that seem missing in Bannerlord that Warband had, and maybe not all of them are good and maybe even some of the points I mentioned above aren't good for Bannerlord, but the absence of all of them combined leaves me with an experience that is nowhere near as immersive as Warband. I look forward to the improvements that will come in the upcoming patches.

I Agree
 

Revverie

Where does the love to feasts come from? In every comparison post between Warband and Bannerlord these damn feasts come up. Personally I hated them.

That being said I want more RPG elements in Bannerlord.
As a function, it was a feature that allowed you to meet with every lord, get quests, and raise relations with the Town/Castle owner, and also you could meet a variety of ladies that allowed you to see which one was the most marriageable one (you know usually the pretty one but better if their parent/brother had a town or a powerful castle), and lastly if it was in a Town you could join a tournament with all the lords which is cool as **** and you will later use the dedication to give it to the lady you want to court. As an immersion feature, well... It's a feast! You know, **** nobles did in those days, dress fancy, eat a lot, fight and drink, of course that shamefully didn't actually happened in Warband but you get the idea, it gives the world a little more life, like Lords are not just dudes making armies in peace time, they gather together to feast and enjoy their wealth. Imo feasts should've been expanded, adding hunting, spying other factions, making schemes with certain lords, or events where assasinations take place, or something creative you know? And also reworked so they don't happen in the middle of a ****ing war when a faction is about to die.
 

Andrei[beast]

Sergeant at Arms
WBNWVC
Did warband tournaments offer something I missed or what or was it the cool feast that did nothing execpt kill the kingdom
Only thing cool at warband tournaments was the sht ton of money that you get if you play your cards(in this case bets) right. Could get up to 4k denars and now in BL you get 1500-ish and some equipment which tbh was something i loved in VC that you could get a cool item(in my case a horse as they were worth a fortune.
The State of Immersion: Bannerlord Edition

While playing through Bannerlord, I really feel like it's lacking a lot of the immersion and cohesion (features working in conjunction) that I find in Warband. That's not to say that I feel the game is bad, it's still good but it has so much more potential that I'm sure will come with time. Let me get straight in to it.

If any of the things I mentioned down below are already in the game, and I haven't noticed already let me know. Also reply with your own opinions or thoughts. I apologize in advance if these points have already been mentioned before or are in someway incorrect.
  • Offer of vassalage
    • In Warband, if you earned a decent amount of renown and didn't belong to a Kingdom already, there was a chance you would receive a letter offering you a place as a vassal in x Kingdom. While I doubt it was a route many players took, it was there and it added a decision for you to make, one that could completely change the direction of your playthrough. As far as I know, this doesn't exist in Bannerlord.
  • Lords defecting to your Kingdom
    • I could be wrong on this one, but it feels like Clans don't defect to your own Kingdom? In Warband it felt pretty good to see a Lord leave their Kingdom and sit in your capital, for them to ASK YOU to join your Kingdom, once again adding choices to your playthrough and allowing you to grow your Kingdom without passing a bunch of skill checks and always having to make the first move.
  • Companions, companions, companions!
    • In Warband, each companion felt, looked and behaved uniquely. Companions had their backstories, base skills and personality types that would lead them to quarrel with each other. Yet again, adding choices to which companions you choose as you don't want them all hating each other, leading them to hate being apart of your party and ultimately ditching you. Doing certain actions such as raiding or failing quests would upset some companions but not others. Right now, they just feel like named soldiers that'll go along with anything, I barely care about who I pickup as long as they can fulfill a clan role that isn't occupied already.
  • Feasts/Tournaments
    • It was a meme, but now that they're gone, I miss them. They were an easy way to introduce yourself to all of the Lords in your (or another) Kingdom, get quests and meet ladies (Dedicating a Tournament victory to them also). Tournaments would be held when feasts were on-going, and thus allowed you to fight against Lords and not just a random pool of soldiers. Tournaments were a slightly more rare occurrence than what they are in Bannerlord, I feel like there is an abundance of Tournaments going on at any given time, allowing players to quickly rack up gold and items that you couldn't otherwise get so quickly. A Tournament in Warband felt like a great opportunity to get that extra income and renown, now it just feels like what I should be doing all the time making the gameplay loop quite repetitive, especially early-game. It just feels cheap. Feasts would also be good distraction for Lords, and allows for some tactics to be had, you could strike when the enemy was most vulnerable.
  • Armour Effectiveness/Feel
    • For context, I play with all realistic settings. I couldn't help but feel like as I acquired better and better armor, that it really didn't make much of a difference. Looters were throwing pebbles at me, taking a sizable chunk of my health with some of the most top-tier pieces of armor in the game. The game feels like it caters more towards quantity rather than quality when it comes to armies. In Warband, if I had a small band of elite tier troops, you bet your ass I could take on more enemies than usual. You could feel the difference so much more in Warband as you acquired better gear or upgraded your troops to the higher tiers. Armor also feels quite same-y, when you strike someone in full plate, it feels exactly the same as when I hit someone in leather. In Warband, when you try to swing a sword at full plate, they feel tanky and clanky.
  • Personality Types / Traits
    • In Bannerlord, there is suppose to be different traits people can have, though it doesn't feel like it's integrated into anything. All of the NPCs feel exactly the same and I don't feel as though I'm treated any differently based on how much Valor/Honor/Dishonesty/any other trait I may or may not have. The trait system doesn't feel cohesive with the rest of the game at all. I never get told when I receive a trait, and there's no indicators of how making a certain choice or choosing a certain dialog option will effect my traits. I feel the system could be great once it's implemented properly. Warband had a much simpler system of an Honor Rating for the player, and the NPCs had certain personality types that would react differently based on the players honor, relation and previous actions. I feel as though the Bannerlord system has much more potential than Warbands, but right now it seems useless.
  • Marshals and Marshalship
    • I can only describe having Marshals in Warband as being cool. It added another layer to the hierarchy in the factions, giving one Lord that extra bit of power and respect over the others, allowing them to call upon all the other Lords of the realm to go on a campaign. This feels so much more immersive than "Lord x has made an army, join it if you want, if not no worries, decisions don't matter". In Warband, you were SUMMONED by your Marshal, and if you didn't follow through then there were consequences. Furthermore, being offered Marshalship felt rewarding, it also felt risky as you now had a lot of responsibility. Now it just feels like: "okay let me spend this arbitrary number (influence) to force some NPCs to follow me".
  • Tavern Npc's
    • Ransom Brokers
      • Right now, you can sell prisoners to any city, some might consider this an improvement, but personally I liked that you weren't guaranteed to be able to sell your prisoners. It made storing prisoners in dungeons an actual useful thing, so you could sell them later when a ransom broker was closer to your fief. Not always being able to sell prisoners also encourages you to venture out to the world to find them, getting you in all kinds of trouble.
    • Wandering Minstrels
      • In Warband, these fine men could teach you poems, which you could later use to help woo a certain lady. This would help alot in Bannerlord because there is literally nothing you can do to boost relations lol.
    • Book Merchants
      • Book Merchants added another layer of depth to Warband, allowing you to read books to gain permanent or passive bonuses to your attributes. These would become very useful late game.
    • Travelers
      • These NPCs helped you find all of the above NPCs, plus your companions if they were captured or lost somehow. Right now everything is readily available in your encyclopedia, as if you have telepathic knowledge of everyone's location, nothing is less immersion breaking than that. I'm sure people don't mind it, but it would be cool to at-least have a realism option for this kind of stuff.
    • Quest NPCs
      • Occasionally in Warband you would find a farmer in a city tavern looking for someone to help his village that is infested with bandits. Adding more hidden away Quest NPCs in Taverns could add a lot to immersion and encourage exploration.
Offer of vassalage
This.. never happened to me really, which is weird but i don't think i had many games with high renown without being in a kingdom.
Lords defecting to your Kingdom
Agree, this one would be so cool, and i saw that there is a mod for it and i'll search for the link if you want. But it would feel good to have that now in BL, because tbh i never had my own kingdom in warband.. always found it too hard.
Companions, companions, companions!
The only thing i miss about warband companions is that they never changed, as I used to get Lezalit and Artimener first and armour them up so they were the tanks of the team and destroying everything. The thing that people say when they miss the fact that "characters would sometimes stop you to complain about other companion they don't like or to give you information" is weird as i'm pretty sure that at least half of us were skipping these and only reading them maybe in our first game ever.
Feasts/Tournaments
I miss the feasts, really bad. The first time i got a city i didn't stop making feasts as i loved going trough my city and seeing everyone gathered up, then kicking their butts in tournaments^^. I also loved going around enemy territories to gather stuff for my feast(spice was hardest to come by, then oil and the others) which added a little bit of danger but also loved the feeling. And about tournament, my point in the comment to Itsausername still stands.
Armour Effectiveness/Feel
I agree, armour will have to be rebalanced(or at least add some bonuses against certain types of weapons aka fcking rpg rocks dammit) but someone need to make a thread completely for it and stop complaining about in in 3 pages in other thread *cough* I don't get tw priorities *cough*.
Personality Types / Traits
This...

I think would be a cool addition, a very good one indeed because atm the only things that these influence are the description in the encyclopedia and the amount of relation you lose when you execute.
Marshals and Marshalship
Sry but i really don't need it anymore. I've raged so bad so many goddamn times when i spend literally hours finding the dumb lords and ask them to support me to be a marshall and never getting to do it. Well guess what Jarl Turegor you bastard, now i don't need any votes from you a-holes now that we have influence.
Tbh influence was one of the big changes that i liked the most, love it or hate it.
Tavern Npc's
This is another one I can agree to, as currently there aren't many reasons to walk around a city, and maybe adding some npc's quest to the town center too? Maybe in the beggining some peasant asks you to talk to the thugs from waterfront, backstreet etc to get his stuff back and that would be a way to teach new players about the gang attack feature, or whatever you wanna call it.

And yes, sry for being lazy and not replying to each one of them to make it easier to understand but it was hard to rush this while having online classes^^
Also, great post OP.

Edit: The best explanation i could give myself to why these are not implemented/announced is maybe that the new engine doesn't work with these/it's very hard to work with the engine towards these topics.
 
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Moton

Squire
As a function, it was a feature that allowed you to meet with every lord, get quests, and raise relations with the Town/Castle owner, and also you could meet a variety of ladies that allowed you to see which one was the most marriageable one (you know usually the pretty one but better if their parent/brother had a town or a powerful castle), and lastly if it was in a Town you could join a tournament with all the lords which is cool as **** and you will later use the dedication to give it to the lady you want to court. As an immersion feature, well... It's a feast! You know, **** nobles did in those days, dress fancy, eat a lot, fight and drink, of course that shamefully didn't actually happened in Warband but you get the idea, it gives the world a little more life, like Lords are not just dudes making armies in peace time, they gather together to feast and enjoy their wealth. Imo feasts should've been expanded, adding hunting, spying other factions, making schemes with certain lords, or events where assasinations take place, or something creative you know? And also reworked so they don't happen in the middle of a ****ing war when a faction is about to die.

Yeah I never really went on alot of feasts, I cant even remember why I hated them. But reading you comment makes me think they can become a quite awesome feature if expanded.
 

TripleThreat

Sergeant at Arms
WBM&BWF&SNW
I agree with all the rest of the post but this I have to disagree with. There was nothing more frustrating for me then going from town to town looking for a ransom broker.

Haha yeah, I can understand frustration and why you prefer how it is currently.

Great post mate. I do not completely agree because I do not miss marshals but you have made a lot of good points. Bannerlord is actually a pretty good game but lacking immersion is probably one of the biggest complains people have now. Everything feels too casual, repetitive and without any impact.

Oh the Marshal system in Warband was far from perfect, mostly due to how bad the AI was haha. I liked the concept and the choices it brought along though. As you say yourself, right now, the game feels quite casual and un-impactful and I would personally love to see a lot of features improved upon and deepened.

Also, great post OP.

Glad you enjoyed the post, thanks for taking the time to reply to all the points, I enjoyed reading them!
 

Andrei[beast]

Sergeant at Arms
WBNWVC
Glad you enjoyed the post, thanks for taking the time to reply to all the points, I enjoyed reading them!
Some of the stuff you mentioned, mainly the marshallship and the way the lords work now could feel barren because in warband you could send a lord to patrol/siege/defend said fief which we don't have in BL now, but at least something like that is in the works for companion parties, giving them different orders and i'm excited for that.
 

Moton

Squire
Some of the stuff you mentioned, mainly the marshallship and the way the lords work now could feel barren because in warband you could send a lord to patrol/siege/defend said fief which we don't have in BL now, but at least something like that is in the works for companion parties, giving them different orders and i'm excited for that.

Yeah that's an absolut must to have. I mean my parties are just roaming around the whole map doing random ****. I mean sure, I would still want that option since they complete quests and give me renown but I would also like to be able to command them when I need them. Also I dont want this to be another menu but I would want it to work like I send a messenger out and maybe it takes a day or two before they get the orders.
 

Marcolino

Knight
M&BWB
Excellent post! I agree with everything you wrote except the Marshalls which I never liked in Warband. In relation to Lords defecting to your kingdom, I would also like to add that, once a lord joins you, there should be some level of difficulty for them to leave (so, for a certain time after joining they will stay put, if their relationship is positive, they stay put, but if the relationship goes down, they could leave. Also, if you grant them land, they should stay put)

there have been a lot of suggestions given to developers. But they don’t seem to take these on board. I hope this will change, otherwise why do we have EA?
 

Andrei[beast]

Sergeant at Arms
WBNWVC
Yeah that's an absolut must to have. I mean my parties are just roaming around the whole map doing random ****. I mean sure, I would still want that option since they complete quests and give me renown but I would also like to be able to command them when I need them. Also I dont want this to be another menu but I would want it to work like I send a messenger out and maybe it takes a day or two before they get the orders.
I think it's supposed to be like a conversation maybe Finally give more dialogue options. Also, to make that *can i ask a Quick question * option usefull maybe you ll be able to ask them for their reports on the last days? Idk, smth that just cane through my mind
 

Cornelis

Regular
Great post it actually kind of makes me want to reinstall warband I really forgot how much immersion we are missing. I think they do plan to add a lot this stuff in at a later date but maybe they will be leaving some thing in the past like feasts the wandering ransom brokers. I can see those as not fitting into the current game state as the player/lords we be moving to strange places getting priorities out of hand. I wouldn't get to worried about Bannerlord not getting more immersive since it has a lot of growing to do before full release and they and they won't stop development on the game once it is out of early access
 
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