The Red Wars, Calradia 1923

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Agovic said:
New suggestions for faction names:
Sarranid Islamic Confederation >> Shia-Sunni Confederation - Led by Shah Muhammad al Dawi

:smile:

Ideas:
Shia-Sunni Confederation - need I speak more? :razz: Muhammad stands for prophet of Islam Muhammed, while Dawi stands for Abdul Hadi Daw(a)i, a reowned Afghanistanian poet, diplomat and government official.

That's about it. :razz:

A Shia-Sunni confederation would never exist, the two sects are directly incompatible. It's like creating a Protestant-Catholic confederation. Also a Shah is the Persian name for ruler, most Arabian(and therefor more Sunni) lands would use terms like Sultan or Malik(King). Hell if anything the best name for an overarching total Islamic ruler would be Caliph, but that wouldn't work either because Shia doctrine rejects all of the rightfully guided caliphs.
 
There's absolutely nothing wrong with having parts of a fantasy world have connections to real history, you change stuff because people keep whining about a simple little symbol or how "this seems too much like the real world" and eventually the general point of the mod can get lost and what each of the factions are supposed to be and supposed to represent becomes much more up to personal interpretation, which is good in some situations but I feel like it's not good for this mod.

Agovic said:
New suggestions for faction names:
Swazi Reich >> Wilheland Weltreich - led by Kaiser Friedrich XIV
Rhodokian Socialist Workers Union  >> People's Republic of Romagna - Led by President Luciana Macchi (only female ruler)
United Vaegir Federation  >> Slavian Tsardom - led by Tsar Alexey Vaegirov

In my opinion the mod is supposed to be based off of real events except in a fantasy world, your name change suggestions seem like you're making it to where Nazism rises and takes control during the German Empire instead of 15 years after its collapse, and having the Tsar in Russia suddenly turn Communist, unless of course you're wanting to completely erase the whole "fascists vs socialists" thing, which is basically the entire point of the mod. Also the Rhodoks are supposed to be fascists too, unfortunately the name doesn't sound all too much like it but I have a feeling it may be changed in the future just since several agreed it doesn't sound all to fascist, but changing it to "People's Republic" makes it sound even more socialist, all three of these name changes are just bad ideas.
 
Agovic said:
Ideas:
-Soumi means "Finnish" in the Finns' language (of the same name :razz:), I find Erik one of their national names while Svensk stands for "Swedish" :razz:

Everyone seems to misspell 'Suomi' 'Soumi" and Erik is actually an extremely non-Finnish name, but anyway. I don't think any direct references to the real world (like Suomi, slavs or Islam) are a good idea and I also would like to keep Vaegirs as a communist state. Otherwise I liked many of your suggestions.
 
AIDS McGee said:
There's absolutely nothing wrong with having parts of a fantasy world have connections to real history, you change stuff because people keep whining about a simple little symbol or how "this seems too much like the real world" and eventually the general point of the mod can get lost and what each of the factions are supposed to be and supposed to represent becomes much more up to personal interpretation, which is good in some situations but I feel like it's not good for this mod.

Nothing wrong with it being based off reality, my problem is with the tired old nazi trope that has been overused to the point of cheesiness. They're like zombies, terrorists and ninjas. Any context or impact they once had is overshadowed by decades of systematic media abuse.

You can do far-right nationalist racialist without resorting to the things that instantly conjure up the same tropes. Forgoing the swastika and giving them a less cheesy name is the first step.
 
Perhaps something along the lines of the Golden Dawn insignia wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yes I realize I'm ****ting on a political party. No I do not care. **** off Greek people who support them.
 
Didn't realize that Vaegirs were commies, sorry :razz:

As for the rest, put up a poll to the names and lets see what the population likes :smile:
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Perhaps something along the lines of the Golden Dawn insignia wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yes I realize I'm ****ting on a political party. No I do not care. **** off Greek people who support them.
Hahah im Greek and just heard about these guys the other day and now they are showing up everywhere! but yeah agreed **** them
 
ALECOS said:
ClearlyInvisible said:
Perhaps something along the lines of the Golden Dawn insignia wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yes I realize I'm ****ting on a political party. No I do not care. **** off Greek people who support them.
Hahah im Greek and just heard about these guys the other day and now they are showing up everywhere! but yeah agreed **** them

I sincerely hope your nation isn't taken over by these psychopaths my friend.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
ALECOS said:
ClearlyInvisible said:
Perhaps something along the lines of the Golden Dawn insignia wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yes I realize I'm ****ting on a political party. No I do not care. **** off Greek people who support them.
Hahah im Greek and just heard about these guys the other day and now they are showing up everywhere! but yeah agreed **** them

I sincerely hope your nation isn't taken over by these psychopaths my friend.
yeah but while i would say they are the strongest of individual radical groups (like anarchist groups and other left and right wing parties) and admitted allegations of ties within the police i honestly dont believe they have enough ground. However if they did take over well then there really is no saving my country :/ (However i live in the US so hopefully my family would be safe) But off topic
 
ALECOS said:
ClearlyInvisible said:
ALECOS said:
ClearlyInvisible said:
Perhaps something along the lines of the Golden Dawn insignia wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yes I realize I'm ****ting on a political party. No I do not care. **** off Greek people who support them.
Hahah im Greek and just heard about these guys the other day and now they are showing up everywhere! but yeah agreed **** them

I sincerely hope your nation isn't taken over by these psychopaths my friend.
yeah but while i would say they are the strongest of individual radical groups (like anarchist groups and other left and right wing parties) and admitted allegations of ties within the police i honestly dont believe they have enough ground. However if they did take over well then there really is no saving my country :/ (However i live in the US so hopefully my family would be safe) But off topic

Given how horribly Greece suffered under the Nazis, It is beyond me how any true Greek could support a Neo-Nazi group like Golden Dawn. Hell, Greece one of the homes of Democracy!
 
I think names are good as they are now...

If you want to change them , i think is better change them to be set more near the reality then near fantasy.Everybody know we are speaking of communism and fascim in a fictional war as other have already done it and i can't see anything of wrong in it.
I've never seen a mod that have same propouses as this one so i think it's really interesting :wink:.

Peoples Republic of Gallia have no connections with Rhodokian o_O

Maybe the only name that is better to change is Rhodokian one. Rhodokian Social Republic feels better..

I also support that idea of claimants that can make each country change ideology.

OFF TOPIC:

I was wondering how this mod is near to one that i've done months ago for fallout new vegas:
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55243/?
 
People I want to notify that Rhodoks aren't Communist or Socialist, they are fascist! The Socialist Workers Union was the Political party of Mussolini in Italia at 1922-1943 so they're definitely fascist! Also we're not changing any names, unless they're creative, fit into Caldaria and represent their real-life counterpart. Also no *****ing about the Swastikas and so forth, we roll the way we want and decide
-Walrus, a developer for the Red Wars​
 
Well the Nazis weren't exactly Facist, infact they were more or less Socialists. Hense "National Socialism"

The whole Swastika thing would be nice to change for the sake of not making this mod feel like a World War II mod, if you're going for fantasy then you shouldn't have things from the real world in there. But it's your call.

And calm down a bit with the anger mate, we're not trying to rail against this mod. Hell I personally love the premise, we're just giving ideas is all. If you don't like them, just don't implement them. It's like the discussion I had with Screaming about the implementation of an Islamic state a little while back, I put forward my two cents and he did his, and he decided to keep his decision. I may not agree with it, but hey, it's YOUR mod, so my opinion in the end means jack ****e.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Well the Nazis weren't exactly Facist, infact they were more or less Socialists. Hense "National Socialism"

I don't see the republicans in america arguing for a republic. Back when german industrial labourers were a huge portion of the electorate, putting "socialist" or "workers" in your party's name was the only way to get votes. Everyone did it.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Their dogma was more or less Socialist though, it was just racially driven.

At times I do wonder, what actual differences there were between Stalin's pseudo-communism and national socialism/Mussolini's fascism.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Their dogma was more or less Socialist though, it was just racially driven.
Giving state contracts to private companies to pretty much build your military isn't socialist, nazism was seen as a third path, neither capitalist or socialist, but taking aspects from both sides along with a strong sense of nationalism. The Nazis generally opposed international capitalism, which they saw as a Jewish conspiracy, and they generally opposed Marxism, Bolshevism, pretty much any form of socialism (in the Marxist sense) as they saw it as a Jewish conspiracy. The actual socialists in Germany were executed or imprisoned quite often, their parties banned, and so on. What the Nazis had going was basically national capitalism instead of international capitalism, while also maintaining social programs to benefit the populace, like most countries in the world today do (welfare, public transportation, ect.) The Nazis weren't extreme right wingers unless you're only thinking about issues like racism, if anything they were somewhat similar to American liberals (which are definitely not socialists, the ones who think they're socialists mostly think that wanting higher wages and more regulation on corporations makes them a socialist, which is far from the truth)

FastWalrus said:
The Socialist Workers Union was the Political party of Mussolini in Italia at 1922-1943

I have never heard a single mentioning of a name even close to that being affiliated with fascist Italy or Mussolini, the National Fascist Party was the party that ruled from 1922-1943, which was followed by the Republican Fascist Party.

I'd just like to ask you to seriously consider changing the name to the Rhodok Social Republic, which would very accurately mirror Fascist Italy, several people have already given support for the idea.
 
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