The Original L'Aigle Thread, for the sake of history. Be ye warned.

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TheMadJester

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I failed this class so I have yet to know what any of you are talking about.

So how bout those bows? Little to no bow regiments in the classic musket era. Why not? You shoot one bullet, and reload. I shoot 5 arrows and brace for your shot. Rinse and repeat.

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Hazzardevil

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Arthur Wellsely actually wanted a group of longbowmen raised to protect artillery, as well as one of the US founding fathers wanting men armed with pike and longbow. So there was definitely a desire to use them. Longbows would be far better than muskets on the battlefield, but supplying arrows, training and the bows themselves would have been hard.
Someone can always make a mod to add a bow or two if people want it that much.
 
I see it claimed that longbows are better on the battlefield all the time, but I don't understand why. I've looked into the matter before and I learned that longbows have at best the same maximum accurate range as muskets (about 150 yards), and achieve only slightly better speeds (a good longbowman could apparently fire at best 10 arrows a minute in a battle environment, but more likely about 5 or 6, compared to the 4 or so a semi-trained musketeer can manage) and have much less power. Not to mention that it takes at least five years of training to become useful with a longbow.

There's also the fact that if bows were reintroduced armour would have been as well. The main reasons longbows disappeared is that they couldn't pierce plate, whereas muskets could easily.
 

Hazzardevil

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Silence would be useful. I was thinking along the lines of skirmishing longwbowmen, essentially taking the role of riflemen. And by this point armies were larger than they had ever been, so introducing longbowmen as skirmishers probably wouldn't reintroduce armour. Also, English standards in the hundred years war was 6 aimed of 12 unaimed shots a minute, so I think that bringing it down to 6 shots would likely mean 6 fairly accurate arrows.
Replacing muskets with longbows would be ridiculous, but I think in a specialist/experimental roles like early rifles could have happened if people cared enough.

I've heard the desire to reintroduce was a sign of people wanting to go back to an earlier time. The introduction of the longbow became associated with dominating the French, so people believed that the longbow was the reason, when the arming of freemen was the reason why.
 

ClearlyInvisible

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So it wouldn't work well against Cuirassiers, but I doubt any nation would have been willing to mass-produce curasses for it's troops. Hell didn't the Prussians stop give their heavy cav cuirasses because of monetary reasons?
 
I can understand their use in specialized roles, but it really seems that crossbows would fit the bill better for any of those reasons except symbolism (hence why spec-ops occasionally uses them even today)
 
ClearlyInvisible said:

So it wouldn't work well against Cuirassiers, but I doubt any nation would have been willing to mass-produce curasses for it's troops. Hell didn't the Prussians stop give their heavy cav cuirasses because of monetary reasons?

These guys are as objective as fox news. Come on, in one of their videos they use butted mail, without padding on a flat surface, to prove that arrows fired from "superior British longbows" at extremely close range could penetrate medieval chain mail. ****ing ridiculous.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Well what is there to talk about mod-wise? Anyone got any non-exhausted questions to ask that aren't mentally deficient?

I asked about the flag waving shader, but apparentally everyone were too busy with spamming to notice.

Btw. discussion here has been so self-conscious for so long that I bet the thread will soon come alive.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
Hell didn't the Prussians stop give their heavy cav cuirasses because of monetary reasons?

I read that in the 1790s, Friedrich Wilhelm II ordered the banning of the cuirass; whether or not that was due to financial reasons or some twisted 18th century morality, I'm not sure.
 

Landgraft

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Omega_007 said:
I read that in the 1790s, Friedrich Wilhelm II ordered the banning of the cuirass; whether or not that was due to financial reasons or some twisted 18th century morality, I'm not sure.

It's worth remembering the generally poor state of Prussia during the Napoleonic Wars, I'm not sure whether or not it was cost-related but it really wouldn't surprise me.

Makes me really look forward to my Prussian playthrough, though. Ramp the difficulty and crank the Hohenfriedberger!
 

nilloc93

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Hazzardevil said:
Arthur Wellsely actually wanted a group of longbowmen raised to protect artillery, as well as one of the US founding fathers wanting men armed with pike and longbow. So there was definitely a desire to use them. Longbows would be far better than muskets on the battlefield, but supplying arrows, training and the bows themselves would have been hard.
Someone can always make a mod to add a bow or two if people want it that much.


effective range
longbow = musket

vs armor
longbow < musket

ability to defend against cavalry
musket >>>>>>>>>>>>>longbow
(and before you even mention pikemen you just lost any advantage to fire rate because you're swapping out longbowmen for pikemen)

ability to concentrate fire
musket>longbow (because you can cram more guys using a musket together than you can bowmen, which stretches out your line so you need more pikemen)

fire rate
longbow>musket


That seems like a ******** **** trade. Even consider that the bow was never put back in use for a reason? The Native Americans used bows and got stomped pretty hardcore no matter what last of the mohicans implies.
Also how the hell would guys with longbows receive a bayonet charge? If you formed a pike wall/square (the only truly useful pike formation) to defend them the charge would simply be stopped short and the line infantry would volley into the the pikmen at point blank (I seriously doubt a group of pikemen would eat volleys at close range just to defend some long bowmen) and if there were no pikes at all they would get slaughtered.

Also a musket can be carried loaded
 
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