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The Noble Longbow
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karijus
Regular
Well, some weird perks could balance it, or addition of pavise shields as someone mentioned. There is a perk, I don't know if it works - minus 1 enemy morale whenever you kill someone with a crossbow bolt. Don't know how that makes sense, but it sounds really good. This kind of stuff could balance it out, if it works and is well designed.
Maximum997
Squire
It is the most simple and light crossbow that you can imagine. And still it has 20% more energy.
In the game we have crossbow that you reload with your leg and back strengh. So it should be way more powerful then crossbow, that you can reload with only one hand.
Energy of the heavy crossbows was up to 400 joules.
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No that isn't.
You can't reload crossbow in the video with one hand. You can't reload it with two hands, legs, back or any other part of your body. That crossbow is so powerful that it have to be reloaded by goat's foot lever.
Point of the video is about the fact that Medieval crossbows are very ineffective, and not about one particular crossbow. You can achieve the same energy with the much less powerful bow, because bows are much more effective.
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Crossbows weren't better than bows at all, they were just weapons that allowed anyone to pick them up and start effectively firing it within minutes.
The longbow was almost of a way of life, it took immense training and development just to be able to draw it properly let alone fire 5-6 arrows a minute effectively at 300 yards, which skilled archers could do. There's a reason the English/Welsh longbowman were such a feared force in Europe with films romanticizing the longbow and the crossbow is merely a historical weapon of war
The longbow was almost of a way of life, it took immense training and development just to be able to draw it properly let alone fire 5-6 arrows a minute effectively at 300 yards, which skilled archers could do. There's a reason the English/Welsh longbowman were such a feared force in Europe with films romanticizing the longbow and the crossbow is merely a historical weapon of war
Also little history lesson due to people assuming the crossbow is better due to penetrating power. One of the first mentions of the longbow in English history is of a dude who was hit in his thigh with such force, it went through the armour, thigh, saddle and killed his horse whilst fighting the Welsh
Maximum997
Squire
We are. Because if one mechanism transfers 20% percent of the energy and other 80%, then the second one doesn't have to be as powerful and it's projectile will have the same effect.
Power (draw weight) of the crossbow does not matter, what matter is energy of the projectile that leaves it.
Maximum997
Squire
Yes. It is true. Thats why you need compare speed and weight of flying missile. But noone did that. But fore some reason keep saying "bow wasastronger"
And they even dont test more complicated crossbows
Becouse thats why people invented new reloading mechanisms - to accumulate more energy and make shot more powerful.
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Maximum997
Squire
But lets end with history.
We are in the game. And in the game crossbows are just useless.
In warband there was a good solution:
You dont need to spebd any points in power draw.
But in this game it doesnt work.
We are in the game. And in the game crossbows are just useless.
In warband there was a good solution:
You dont need to spebd any points in power draw.
But in this game it doesnt work.
You're running in circles. We already went over this, crossbows are not useless in the game.
Maximum997
Squire
That they don't matter to you does not mean they don't matter. Don't confuse those things.
Maximum997
Squire
In the forum: Crossbow always ready to shoot! It is such a great advantage!111
In the game: you need 0,7 seconds do draw it for full accuracy. You can do it even between enemy hits. Or you can draw and kill a guy who appears 3 meters from you
In the forum: You can aim crossbow indefinitely, it is such a great advantage!!11
In the game: you can preaim while or before drawing and yo have another 2,5 seconds to aim. If you need more time - just go play Sims. Or spend another 0,7 seconds to draw it again
In the game: you need 0,7 seconds do draw it for full accuracy. You can do it even between enemy hits. Or you can draw and kill a guy who appears 3 meters from you
In the forum: You can aim crossbow indefinitely, it is such a great advantage!!11
In the game: you can preaim while or before drawing and yo have another 2,5 seconds to aim. If you need more time - just go play Sims. Or spend another 0,7 seconds to draw it again
No you don't have 2.5 seconds to aim a bow and you don't have 0.7 seconds to draw for full accuracy. Stop pulling random numbers that fit your agenda out of tin air.
And stop selectively omitting things that does not fit your agenda. As of now advantages crossbows have might or might not outweigh disadvantages compared to bows for individual players, but that does not mean that they don't have advantages.
Maximum997
Squire
The other thing about crossbows and why they were popular was that they were extremely easy to use and even peasant levies could be taught how to use them in a very short period of time. A bow on the other hand could took months to even get the basics down.
BattanianDruid
Veteran
Ideally crossbows and longbows should be comparable in range and damage.
The main difference between them would then be that bows load a lot faster and have better DPS but that they have a much narrower time frame to aim and loose, making them less good at long range sniping and taking out moving targets unless the player is very good at reflex aiming.
Meanwhile the crossbow has lower DPS but can be held indefinitely to line your shots up well for long range sniping and leading moving targets. Crossbow can also be used more easily from behind defensive positions due to how you can hold it.
Additionally accuracy for bows should be a lot lower at low skill levels. Ideally you'd need a higher bow skill to use higher quality bows with less of an accuracy penalty when using them to represent building strength to use bigger warbows. Meanwhile crossbows, even the heaviest, could be picked up and aimed well with a low crossbow skill and the advantage of a high crossbow skill could be getting faster at loading it, even if the biggest crossbows still can't be aimed as fast as a longbow even with really high crossbow skill.
So crossbows would be better early game as you can pick up a crossbow and do well with it while bows are slower to come on line. A bow user is limited by their skill level in what bow they can use while a crossbowman can grab the heaviest crossbow there is and still be accurate with it, it'd just take a really long time to load shots until they got better at using it. And late game the crossbow would still be the preferred weapon for sniping targets from a distance.
The main difference between them would then be that bows load a lot faster and have better DPS but that they have a much narrower time frame to aim and loose, making them less good at long range sniping and taking out moving targets unless the player is very good at reflex aiming.
Meanwhile the crossbow has lower DPS but can be held indefinitely to line your shots up well for long range sniping and leading moving targets. Crossbow can also be used more easily from behind defensive positions due to how you can hold it.
Additionally accuracy for bows should be a lot lower at low skill levels. Ideally you'd need a higher bow skill to use higher quality bows with less of an accuracy penalty when using them to represent building strength to use bigger warbows. Meanwhile crossbows, even the heaviest, could be picked up and aimed well with a low crossbow skill and the advantage of a high crossbow skill could be getting faster at loading it, even if the biggest crossbows still can't be aimed as fast as a longbow even with really high crossbow skill.
So crossbows would be better early game as you can pick up a crossbow and do well with it while bows are slower to come on line. A bow user is limited by their skill level in what bow they can use while a crossbowman can grab the heaviest crossbow there is and still be accurate with it, it'd just take a really long time to load shots until they got better at using it. And late game the crossbow would still be the preferred weapon for sniping targets from a distance.
