The MOD of low class........*(^.^)*

[ttsec]

Whoever designed the fonts was payed money

Prove it. Many fonts in use today are in fact created for free use and without pay, like many mods that are created.  Can you prove the font used by the forum is made profesionally?

 

[ttsec]

I will also point out that there is a credit for the forum software at the bottom of every single page of this forum.

Yes, and that is enough.  However, the kind of accredation scheme that some of the forum-ers here would insist on would have you also list the programmers of the forum as well, and that's what I'm arguing against.

Also, there is a difference between using something and claiming credit for it. I use this font, but I do not claim that it is 'my' font. Taking this font and putting it in a font pack and distributing it without credit would be a better comparison.

No, you are only talking about 1 level. The debate about PaoCai and Cat MOD is 2 levels.

Say, for example, i made a font pack, and I DO credit every single person in the font pack that made the fonts. Now, say, Billy here, makes an operating system, called Billydows.  He includes my font pack in the operating system. He would only need to say "TTSEC's font pack", and won't need to name every person that maed every font in the font pack, because I already listed them in the fontpack itself.

Since Cat MOD credits PaoCai mod, and since PaoCai credits TLD, Cat Mod has done nothing wrong by not directly crediting TLD.  Cat MOD doesn't take stuff directly from TLD, it takes it indirectly by taking it from Pao Cai, and Pao Cai, again, already credits TLD. Nothing wrong, as some of you forum-ers would insist otherwise.

 

[Ursca]

I would say that is fine as long as every person gained permission at every stage. If the font maker didn't want their font to be distributed freely, then it shouldn't be, with or without credit.

This was the case with TLD, DaBlade and everyone else.

 

[WilliamBerne]

He would only need to say "TTSEC's font pack", and won't need to name every person that maed every font in the font pack, because I already listed them in the fontpack itself.

only if your staff agreed.

 

[ttsec]

He would only need to say "TTSEC's font pack", and won't need to name every person that maed every font in the font pack, because I already listed them in the fontpack itself.

only if your staff agreed.

If they didn't agree, their arrogance is hampring the development of technology in the world at large.  In such a case, if they had could take no legal action against me, I would let Billydows use my font pack anyways, because I weight the good of the many over the arrogant pride of the few.

 

[WilliamBerne]

If they didn't agree, their arrogance is hampring the development of technology in the world at large.  In such a case, if they had could take no legal action against me, I would let Billydows use my font pack anyways, because I weight the good of the many over the arrogant pride of the few.

after all, they were your staff, maybe they agreed everything from the beginning of development.
what if you didn't have any staff and you used works from other font pack? will that still be legal if you for the good of the many sell this pack to Billydows?

 

[okarina]

The mod are not showing up in the mod list any help?

 

[ttsec]

If they didn't agree, their arrogance is hampring the development of technology in the world at large.  In such a case, if they had could take no legal action against me, I would let Billydows use my font pack anyways, because I weight the good of the many over the arrogant pride of the few.

after all, they were your staff, maybe they agreed everything from the beginning of development.
what if you didn't have any staff and you used works from other font pack? will that still be legal if you for the good of the many sell this pack to Billydows?

Do not cofuse what is "legal" to what is "right."

If you don't license anything you make, I could take it and call it all my own original work, and it would be legal, but it wouldn't be right.  If I went back in time and killed Hitler when he was only 11 years-old, that may be right, maybe (subjective), but it is definately not legal.

We are also not talking about selling and buying.  We are only talking about free stuff.  A different set of rules apply to commercial stuff, which is beyond the scope of this discussion.  As far as I know, PaoCai, CatMod and TLD are all free for download and not being sold.

As far as free, open-source, stuff is concerned, I think it's okay to redistribute as long as I leave a traceable path of accredation back to the first original author.  Therefore, as long every level of distribution credits 1-level, then we all will only need to credit 1-level and the accredation can always be traceable back to the orginial author.

 

[WilliamBerne]

ok now we are talking about right, hehe, then it won't be any doubt, most of the modders here agreed that citing the original author instead of the 2-level or 3-level mod is the right thing, isn't it?

 

[ttsec]

ok now we are talking about right, hehe, then it won't be any doubt, most of the modders here agreed that citing the original author instead of the 2-level or 3-level mod is the right thing, isn't it?

I don't really care how deep it's credited, as long as 1-level is credited, and there is a traceable path of accredation back to the original author.

That is why I think Cat MOD is not doing wrong by not crediting TLD directly.

 

[dablade]

ok now we are talking about right, hehe, then it won't be any doubt, most of the modders here agreed that citing the original author instead of the 2-level or 3-level mod is the right thing, isn't it?

I don't really care how deep it's credited, as long as 1-level is credited, and there is a traceable path of accredation back to the original author.

That is why I think Cat MOD is not doing wrong by not crediting TLD directly.

Yeah, we got what you think already. That's not what the great majority of people around here thinks. Did you get that already? Good.

 

[ttsec]

ok now we are talking about right, hehe, then it won't be any doubt, most of the modders here agreed that citing the original author instead of the 2-level or 3-level mod is the right thing, isn't it?

I don't really care how deep it's credited, as long as 1-level is credited, and there is a traceable path of accredation back to the original author.

That is why I think Cat MOD is not doing wrong by not crediting TLD directly.

Yeah, we got what you think already. That's not what the great majority of people around here thinks. Did you get that already? Good.

It's a shame isn't it. That's too bad for you all.  Maybe one day you will all learn that distributing free software is for helping others not for helping yourself.  Anything you get in return, such as recognition, should be expected only as an extra bonus, not as necessary. If you are doing it for your own prideful reasons, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons, and you need serious character restructuring. 

Maybe that's why the Chinese guy makes such good work and people want his talent in TLD and the English mods, because he doesn't spend half his energy worrying about being recognized and credited.

If you guys could move past that and free yourself from such arrogance, life would be so much easier, and enjoyable.

 

[Ursca]

Perhaps you might learn one day that we make mods in our own time for the benefit of others and that having your work stolen and redistributed without your consent is not exactly polite.

 

[ttsec]

Perhaps you might learn one day that we make mods in our own time for the benefit of others and that having your work stolen and redistributed without your consent is not exactly polite.

The only thing it hurts is your pride, so again, my point is proven.

Also, it wasn't stolen, because you put it for free download. It can only be stolen if it wasn't free to begin with. 

I've developed a lot of open source software, and my code has been taking in implemented in many other people's codes, and their codes and other codes, and their codes in other codes, etc... If I spend my time worring about every case that my name is on the credit list, I'd die of high blood pressure by now.  I don't get offeneded when other people take my stuff, use it, redistribute it, etc..., because I'm satisfied knowing that it's for the good of the whole. If I get caught up in my own recognition, my life would be so much less enjoyable.

 

[WilliamBerne]

Maybe that's why the Chinese guy makes such good work and people want his talent in TLD and the English mods, because he doesn't spend half his energy worrying about being recognized and credited.

If you guys could move past that and free yourself from such arrogance, life would be so much easier, and enjoyable.

aho, I can even agree with all of your points but this one.

AFAIK he did everything for 1) his fun and 2) been recognized and credited.
I don't want to enumerate his deeds from the first day he posted a freaking model in bbs.mounblade.com.cn, we(me and many other moderators from chinese forum, staff members of Tripartition mod) just wanted him to know from that first day, couple months ago, there are a lot of things he can learn and pay more respect to the other modders so that he can improve himself in a better way. but now I can tell no big difference between his latest and oldest models or textures.

 

[Elenmmare]

Perhaps you might learn one day that we make mods in our own time for the benefit of others and that having your work stolen and redistributed without your consent is not exactly polite.

The only thing it hurts is your pride, so again, my point is proven.

Also, it wasn't stolen, because you put it for free download. It can only be stolen if it wasn't free to begin with. 

I've developed a lot of open source software, and my code has been taking in implemented in many other people's codes, and their codes and other codes, and their codes in other codes, etc... If I spend my time worring about every case that my name is on the credit list, I'd die of high blood pressure by now.  I don't get offeneded when other people take my stuff, use it, redistribute it, etc..., because I'm satisfied knowing that it's for the good of the whole. If I get caught up in my own recognition, my life would be so much less enjoyable.

Yes, we can't argue that. But I don't care. Yes, I admit that I'm proud of my work. Every modder is. So how about you have some empathy, and dismount from your Stubborn Sumpter Horse.

 

[ttsec]

I said "maybe"

I don't know about Expand's doings in the Chinese forum, cause I can't even read chinese.

This thread has helped my post count a lot.

 

[Ursca]

I've developed a lot of open source software, and my code has been taking in implemented in many other people's codes, and their codes and other codes, and their codes in other codes, etc... If I spend my time worring about every case that my name is on the credit list, I'd die of high blood pressure by now.  I don't get offeneded when other people take my stuff, use it, redistribute it, etc..., because I'm satisfied knowing that it's for the good of the whole.

Key word(s): Open Source

You gave your permission for others to use that code. Ancientwanker, DaBlade et al did not.

 

[ttsec]

I've developed a lot of open source software, and my code has been taking in implemented in many other people's codes, and their codes and other codes, and their codes in other codes, etc... If I spend my time worring about every case that my name is on the credit list, I'd die of high blood pressure by now.  I don't get offeneded when other people take my stuff, use it, redistribute it, etc..., because I'm satisfied knowing that it's for the good of the whole.

Key word(s): Open Source

You gave your permission for others to use that code. Ancientwanker, DaBlade et al did not.

Then they are hampering the development of techonology in the world at large.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

I don't think they cared about technological development of the world when they made their properties.