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Greentiny

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I have noticed for a while now that the MM community has gradually become a more unpleasant place. It is not just me that hold this opinion and I am sure there are many more that I am unaware of that feel similarly. This unpleantness has been made apparent by regiments, mainly their officers, becoming extremely elitist. An example of this was the council that was made, another is when there was a separate forum made for 'unofficial regiments'. This kind of behaviour I have found to be quite disgusting as the whole point of this mod is to have fun because it is a game which is meant to be for leisure. It is something that you can come home to after work or school and play to relax, and even come on TS to enjoy playing with friends that you may have made. I am going to avoid name dropping because that is not the point of this post but I could easily select several regiments and several individuals.

I think that you know it has gone too far when people want to leave because the community is unpleasant rather than the usual reason which is they are bored of the game.

People simply seem to be forgetting that they are playing a game sometimes and that it is not the real life army, therefore ordering people around from other regiments because you are form a more established regiment or simply possess a higher rank is wrong. Also everyone's opinion should be listened to and valued equally, as opposed to 'oh that is a public player, let's ignore that one and oh that guy is in a huge regiment and is the leader I think I will listen to him.' This kind of behaviour is simply stupid.

I don't want to assume what this mod was for or try to attempt to insult Vincenzo or anyone else but the semi-realism aspect is reasonable to have, people just need to know when this applies and when they should stop acting like officers and such.
For example I know for a fact some regiments and people over 20 in them an some officers are about 15 yet these 20+ year olds allow these minors to tell them what to do in events and trainings. However as soon as that minor starts talking to that 20+ guy out of an event as if he owns him, that is when it has gone too far. Imagine talking to your friends like that, you wouldn't because it is stupid.

To conclude I would just liek to say that yes this community and mod ha become very successful and well done to the dev team for this but seriously I think someone needs to consider what is happpening to this mod and more importantly the community because I am sure you didn't want this creation to become and ugly twisted society that it is steadily becoming as this will benefit no-one for the purpose of fun.

I am sorry if this seems to be a trolling post or offensive but I felt that it is an opinion that is too common in the community and I felt as though it needed to be voced out in the open for everyone to see.
 
It's quite interesting that you bring up stuff like the official regiments and all that that I personally stopped.
Also the council thing and the stuff around it I have canceled..
Because just like you say, everyone should be threaded equal.

I find it very amusing that you bring this up more then a month after those plans were made and I shot it down..

I quite wonder what minors you speak of? If a lower ranking player aged 20+ is in a regiment he does not like because of childish leaders, there are plenty with older leaders in other regiments..
You don't HAVE to be in a clan you know.

And people that are not in a specific clan should not follow that clans rules I suppose? they are free to do whatever they want.
 
There is plenty of extremely good people out of clans, you know  :shock:

And there is also lots of less serious regiments which are also fun to play and all that. Sure there is always people who think is better or that their private regiments rocks... But oh well...

Just have fun.
 
Not to sound insulting but you have missed the point entirely Vince. This was not really a message for you because I know you are doing your bit to keep the elitism under control and I am aware of the you doing things such as stopping the council. However I was using that simply as an example of people being elitist. It is the fact that they actually did that. Not about how you felt about it.
I was not saying that it was childish leaders, I was saying that you would not treat people like that in real life and using the ages to exaggerate and illustrate the point.
Also I know that people do not have to join a clan but I was making the point that the clans really do seem to voice predjudice against public players and it seems to me that it is difficult as a public player to even be a part of the community without being involved in a clan.
 
I agreed Tiny and Vince I know we don't have to join regiments but some of us join the regiments to make new friends and to enjoy gameplay since being alone is exactly fun unless your a vampire then in that case it likely is and you like to suck people's blood with a bayonet which is awesome and fun while listening to The Final Count Down by Europe but I'm going off track just some of us just join for friends and fun not to be bullied, BTW I joined the Rifles for friends and its now like a gay orgy everytime I go on TS :smile:

Edit: Damn it Tiny you posted before me my post was aimed at you and Vince's first post grr...
 
Vincenzo 说:
It's quite interesting that you bring up stuff like the official regiments and all that that I personally stopped.
Also the council thing and the stuff around it I have canceled..
Because just like you say, everyone should be threaded equal.

I find it very amusing that you bring this up more then a month after those plans were made and I shot it down..

I quite wonder what minors you speak of? if a lower ranking player aged 20+ is in a regiment he does not like because of childish leaders, there are plenty with older leaders in other regiments..
You don't HAVE to be in a clan you know.

Don't think it was aimed at you Vincenzo more of a thanks to you for putting an end to it.

But i have to agree with Greentiny, been asked a fair few times now "Who the hell are you?" Yeh i hold a private rank, but it hasn't stopped me from taking a role in the 52nd to which I help organise events, keep the rosters in check with Deliverance, help get the british army off its feet with help from the other regimental leaders involved (And if any british regiments want to join, just ask ... don't mind who).

Rank to the most of us 52nd guys dosn't really matter, I mean we only have 5 ranks, recruit, private, sergeant, captain and colonel ... Ranking dosn't make you a better player by far ... or a lower rank means your inept at tactics. I mean AgentGB is a Private rank but most people seem to reguard him as some officer, the only meaning for ranks is to distinuish who's incharge, leader, flagbearer and the grunts ... Dosn't make us any less of a regiment afterall we play for fun.

I've played a few public battles now to know the public shouldn't be underestimated as far as they are by regiments, I know public who are worse than regiments, and those that are a lot better than regiments. I think the public line battles show how effective the public can be when someone is designated as a leader in line battles, let alone down to an indervidual level. I like to support the public when I can in line battles, and I'm thankful for them to be there, its what keeps the game alive for me, knowing that there are still people outside of regimental prejudices.

My advise, just enjoy yourselves, when you start taking joking remarks or such too far ... then your in the wrong place.
 
No need to be standoff-ish Vince, Green said he did not mean to insult and I think he was being honest in that.

Anyway I do not know about specifics but in general he has a point, people are here for fun, the realism is for fun, the RP is for fun. As soon as that is becoming undermined we have a problem. Not that I am saying there is one I do not really pay much attention outside of 22nd and MM mod development so I do not know but at the same time I do think these issues can resolve themselves most of the time.

If people are being unreasonably or overly elitist then they will lose their popularity, they will lose the support of those 20+ somethings that were once willing to follow them. Their attitudes towards the public will result in a change in the public perception of them. So although it can be a concern I would like to think it should resolve itself.

Of course things may be a little unpleasant until that point if we do have a problem. But really it comes down to individuals and the amount of crap they are willing to put up with. Only you can tell your CO he is being a nob.
 
But, whats the problem ? Dont understand the whole thread, its true that game is regimental organized, but on normal gameplay every day, there are alot of puplics.
Also to be part of a community, you take part in a clan, thats the same for nearly every game and i dont see any problem with it. I mean, if puplics dont want to join a clan, they dont have to, they could just hang around in 22nd ts and have fun with everyone else. There is no problem with regiments, just becouse you noticed that players like to organize themself in regiments doesnt mean that there are no puplics who are part of the community.

And if regiments hate and fight each other we cant do anything against that. They just have to shut up in 22ndts and server, thats all. If you see people pissing of other regiments or puplics, report them.
 
I think it's more the elitest attitude of some members of the community, some people think "I am a member of XYZ Regiment therefore I am better than you people from GHF new regiment/public! Hahahaha!"
 
Overall really I think the MM community is pretty impressive though, especially when you consider MM is only a mod. In many ways I have to say the community is actually superior to that of native.

We gotta remember though it is a Mount and Blade community and in my experience Taleworlds has always been pretty volatile  :mrgreen:
 
Plazek 说:
Only you can tell your CO he is being a nob.

Plazek summed it up here.

You get people who think because they are in an Officer position of some Regiment they can boss people around on servers etc etc, and generally be elitist. But, I always feel that there does need to be some command in a regiment, even if that does mean you have to come down hard on some mis-behaviours. However, I would never treat anyone different to someone else purely based on their rank unless it was in-game during a training or Line Battle. Thats just called; being a ****. Through being in the 27th, I've made a lot more friends than I would have playing this game solo, especially being in a Officer position, I feel I have gotten more time to get to know everyone in the regiment.
 
Some people just start to take themselves too seriously when they have been treated with so much authority for a long time in games, its kinda sad :razz:
 
Herbiie 说:
I think it's more the elitest attitude of some members of the community, some people think "I am a member of XYZ Regiment therefore I am better than you people from GHF new regiment/public! Hahahaha!"

That.

Also i believe that some of the Hardcore Realism players need to slack off a bit if someone makes an error in something not quite historical...this mod is for all players, not just hardcore realism.
 
Herbiie 说:
Plazek 说:
Taleworlds has always been pretty volatile  :mrgreen:

No it hasn't! Rawr!

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I see your point =[

hehehe

You should have experienced the first great nK - 22nd forum war during beta and as the result of a friendly match. It was practically the whole of each of our clans duking it out on TW forum :razz:
Yes there was a second one. lol
 
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