Informed Gentleman
Can an immigrant in modern Britain be working class or do they remain perpetually foreign from the British perspective? How many generations does this Limbo last?
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Informed Gentleman
Irish? I'm not sure that would be considered immigration.
Lower middle class is something of a quandry for my intepretation. A sort of 3rd way like New Labour. What does it really mean if anything?
Lower middle class is something of a quandry for my intepretation. A sort of 3rd way like New Labour. What does it really mean if anything?
Informed Gentleman
Lord Sugar is certainly not upper class. He is base scum.Kobrag said:
Given the entire upper classes were immigrants in 1066 I doubt being foreign is much of an obstacle 
Really depends on the immigrant and the class. Generally speaking it's only at the borders where you get the hyper sensitive types the fact they're foreign would stand out (upper-lower / lower-middle; upper-middle / lower-upper). Outside of this it's largely down to mannerisms, dress and the like as to which class you'd be perceived as belonging to. When it comes to a foreign immigrant, I'd expect anyone who'd been here sufficiently long enough would likely pick up such things from their social circle whether conscious of it or not.
Really depends on the immigrant and the class. Generally speaking it's only at the borders where you get the hyper sensitive types the fact they're foreign would stand out (upper-lower / lower-middle; upper-middle / lower-upper). Outside of this it's largely down to mannerisms, dress and the like as to which class you'd be perceived as belonging to. When it comes to a foreign immigrant, I'd expect anyone who'd been here sufficiently long enough would likely pick up such things from their social circle whether conscious of it or not.
Erm, he's descended from George II and as such, a distant relation of Her Madge. He also attended Eton. I don't think it's actually possible to be more upper class.Kobrag said:
Archonsod said:Given the entire upper classes were immigrants in 1066 I doubt being foreign is much of an obstacle
Really depends on the immigrant and the class. Generally speaking it's only at the borders where you get the hyper sensitive types the fact they're foreign would stand out (upper-lower / lower-middle; upper-middle / lower-upper). Outside of this it's largely down to mannerisms, dress and the like as to which class you'd be perceived as belonging to. When it comes to a foreign immigrant, I'd expect anyone who'd been here sufficiently long enough would likely pick up such things from their social circle whether conscious of it or not.
Erm, he's descended from George II and as such, a distant relation of Her Madge. He also attended Eton. I don't think it's actually possible to be more upper class.Kobrag said:
I can't believe it.
You actually made me hate him more than I did before.
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Aren't all people under the "middle class" worker class by default?
Lord Burgess1
If working class is directly below middle class, and there is nothing below working class, then yes.
Lower middle class is usually term used to describe semi-blue / white collar families that do not earn enough to be close to the median wage used to determine middle class. For a very typical British example, the parents of my class mate - a PC and a nurse. It is a quite vague grouping in any case as the people in it most likely identify with either working class or middle class. I've not seen it used that often in social sciences aside from heavily economics-related research.
Furthermore, many immigrants are working class if viewed from purely economical viewpoint but I sense that you think more of their acceptance amongst the white working class? That's not a very easy question to answer. There have been some very good books written about the assimilation, or lack of, of West-Indian, African and South-Asian immigrants into the British working class during the 1960s and 1970s and all seem to agree that while there has been plenty of problems, the process has still been mostly successful. Naturally, the later waves of immigration have not been studied quite as much, so the picture might be different now.
Yeah, I spend just one semester in Birmingham and they tried to turn me into a sociologist
Furthermore, many immigrants are working class if viewed from purely economical viewpoint but I sense that you think more of their acceptance amongst the white working class? That's not a very easy question to answer. There have been some very good books written about the assimilation, or lack of, of West-Indian, African and South-Asian immigrants into the British working class during the 1960s and 1970s and all seem to agree that while there has been plenty of problems, the process has still been mostly successful. Naturally, the later waves of immigration have not been studied quite as much, so the picture might be different now.
Yeah, I spend just one semester in Birmingham and they tried to turn me into a sociologist
