The Hymen - The Myth

[iamahorse]

She couldn't get pregnant (A keeper right?) so we never used condoms.

And it hurt if you didn't do it in a two week period? Does she get her period?

Sounds like someone I know, she doesn't have a uterus so the vagina contracts in a weird way. She has a doctorsprescribed dildo that she must use regularly (or sex), so that it doesn't contract. Best way I guess is give her a dildo and loads of lube.

Anyway, I personally like Jamie Hynem e an.

This person a post-op trannie? Because I know that when they make mock-vaginas you have to regularly insert a dildo-like object into it to keep it from closing up.

 

[Mangus the Feared]

Be gentle...

But I like it when she slaps me around ...

 

[Ebin]

Be gentle...

But I like it when she slaps me around ...

I get it! OH! fat Joke!

 

[Bulle]

She couldn't get pregnant (A keeper right?) so we never used condoms.

And it hurt if you didn't do it in a two week period? Does she get her period?

Sounds like someone I know, she doesn't have a uterus so the vagina contracts in a weird way. She has a doctorsprescribed dildo that she must use regularly (or sex), so that it doesn't contract. Best way I guess is give her a dildo and loads of lube.

Anyway, I personally like Jamie Hynem e an.

This person a post-op trannie? Because I know that when they make mock-vaginas you have to regularly insert a dildo-like object into it to keep it from closing up.

No, she was born without a uterus but other then that, she is a complete woman.

 

[Ambalon]

She couldn't get pregnant (A keeper right?) so we never used condoms.

And it hurt if you didn't do it in a two week period? Does she get her period?

Sounds like someone I know, she doesn't have a uterus so the vagina contracts in a weird way. She has a doctorsprescribed dildo that she must use regularly (or sex), so that it doesn't contract. Best way I guess is give her a dildo and loads of lube.

Anyway, I personally like Jamie Hynem e an.

This person a post-op trannie? Because I know that when they make mock-vaginas you have to regularly insert a dildo-like object into it to keep it from closing up.

No, she was born without a uterus but other then that, she is a complete woman.

Can she cook?

 

[Ebin]

Oh god... I know where this is going.

 

[Ambalon]

Oh god... I know where this is going.

 

[iamahorse]

She couldn't get pregnant (A keeper right?) so we never used condoms.

And it hurt if you didn't do it in a two week period? Does she get her period?

Sounds like someone I know, she doesn't have a uterus so the vagina contracts in a weird way. She has a doctorsprescribed dildo that she must use regularly (or sex), so that it doesn't contract. Best way I guess is give her a dildo and loads of lube.

Anyway, I personally like Jamie Hynem e an.

This person a post-op trannie? Because I know that when they make mock-vaginas you have to regularly insert a dildo-like object into it to keep it from closing up.

No, she was born without a uterus but other then that, she is a complete woman.

Huh... Must be a pretty rare and tragic case.

 

[Mangus the Feared]

I'm a complete ******* that was born without a rectum ... does that count ..?

 

[Ebin]

I'm a complete ******* that was born without a rectum ... does that count ..?

Don't goto jail without some mouth-wash then.

 

[Kissaki]

As in 'not damaged'. Like the foreskin of the penis will remain intact - if not circumcised obviously.

How is the hymen comparable to the foreskin? Hymens tear, and quite easily (people have been convicted of paedophilia for damages to the hymen which can happen quite naturally), whereas the foreskin does not. And show me a single documented case where a hymen has remained unaffected by childbirth.

Happens, though, guys do get torn frenuli. Apparently it's excruciatingly painful.

It is. And it takes forever to heal (or at least it seems that way).

I've heard that copious bleeding is involved (in the twanging of the banjo, not the hymen.)

No, very little blood. Of course, I just had a slight rift to my frenulum. Perhaps if it had torn completely off there would have been mentionable bleeding, but the frenulum isn't exactly saturated with blood. Just many, many nerve endings.

 

[Adorno]

As in 'not damaged'. Like the foreskin of the penis will remain intact - if not circumcised obviously.

How is the hymen comparable to the foreskin? Hymens tear, and quite easily (people have been convicted of paedophilia for damages to the hymen which can happen quite naturally), whereas the foreskin does not. And show me a single documented case where a hymen has remained unaffected by childbirth.

You asked what I meant by 'intact' and I just compared to the foreskin. There's no similarity. I could also have said intact skin in general or an intact finger for that matter.
I just pointed out that the hymen can remain unaffected by penetration and can't be used to prove virginity, masturbation or whatever.
About birth: I only have a Danish article about the subject from a BA on the hymen:
http://www.information.dk/179108
It basically says there are cases where the hymen has remained intact after birth, but it's obviously not common.
I don't know of any research proving that damage to the hymen always occur in childbirth.
It's very hard to find reliable info about this, and that's why it's so important to point out what we don't know, instead of assuming how things are/must be.
The point is the hymen can look different from woman to woman (different shapes) and tears easily - as you point out - and is therefore very unreliable to conclude anything by.

I found this, but I doubt the credibility:

"It is important to note that some women have completely normal hymens (all tissue still there and not injured) even after giving birth."
http://www.vienna-doctor.com/ENG/Articles_ENG/hymen_en.html

In cases of rape a gynecological examination of the hymen can be used as part of a general gynecological examination. It's not conclusive in itself.

 

[del_diablo]

Well, thats certainly more good information to the pile.

 

[Kissaki]

As in 'not damaged'. Like the foreskin of the penis will remain intact - if not circumcised obviously.

How is the hymen comparable to the foreskin? Hymens tear, and quite easily (people have been convicted of paedophilia for damages to the hymen which can happen quite naturally), whereas the foreskin does not. And show me a single documented case where a hymen has remained unaffected by childbirth.

You asked what I meant by 'intact' and I just compared to the foreskin. There's no similarity. I could also have said intact skin in general or an intact finger for that matter.
I just pointed out that the hymen can remain unaffected by penetration and can't be used to prove virginity, masturbation or whatever.
About birth: I only have a Danish article about the subject from a BA on the hymen:
http://www.information.dk/179108
It basically says there are cases where the hymen has remained intact after birth, but it's obviously not common.

It does say that there are some cases where there is not even a tear in the hymen after childbirth, but it doesn't elaborate. Hymens are different, as you yourself point out, and some women are born with "more" than others. And some are born without hymen altogether.

I don't know of any research proving that damage to the hymen always occur in childbirth.

Proving that something always happens is the same as proving that the contrary never happens. You can never prove an "always" or a "never", you can only bring supporting evidence through statistics.

 

[Adorno]

I don't know of any research proving that damage to the hymen always occur in childbirth.

Proving that something always happens is the same as proving that the contrary never happens. You can never prove an "always" or a "never", you can only bring supporting evidence through statistics.

You're right, but disproving an 'always' can be done: a single case of a woman with an intact hymen who's given birth, proves it doesn't always happen.
Whereas proving a 'never' is more difficult - perhaps impossible. 

 

[Seff]

I'm quite flabbergasted that something that half the population is supposed to have, but doesn't have, is still believed to exist.

 

[amondrubee]

I recently discovered that the myth of the hymen is still alive and doing well.
So I think it's time for some iconoclasm.

The myth is as follows:

Women are born with a hymen - a mucous membrane - covering the entrance to the vagina.
During the first vaginal intercourse this hymen will 'burst' - so to speak - resulting in bleeding. And it's followed by pain.

The myth arose sometime in the 16-17 century (along with the first 'actual' anatomical studies) and is not correct.

It's as follows:

The hymen is a small mucous membrane at the entrance to the vagina, that doesn't cover anything.
1 out of 1000 girls are born with a hymen completely covering the entrance to the vagina,
and that's considered a deformity, since it prevents menstruation blood from passing. A small operation is necessary.

Sometimes during sex the hymen can receive scratches causing bleeding, but it's not always the case.
A Dutch and Swedish survey show that somewhere between 33 % (in Sweden) and about 50 % (in the Netherlands) of women
experienced no bleeding during or after their first vaginal intercourse.
In other words, it's fairly common but far from omnipresent.

Gynaecological findings show that the hymen can be intact among women who've had sex several times, and even among women who've given birth.
And the other way around you can also find scratches in the hymen among girls who've never had (vaginal) sex.
Nothing indicates that the hymen can be damaged by athletics/sports, the use of tampons or any other activity affecting the lower abdomen (another part of the myth).

The question of pain is not well examined (needless to say there's not much research on this),
but there's no reason to believe damage to the hymen itself causes pain worth mentioning. Pain during first intercourse
is perhaps best explained by nervousness - preventing proper excitement and 'vaginal juices' from flowing (but that's pure speculation).


The myth causes not only unnecessary worries among young women, but in some male chauvinist cultures,
it can be devastating to the life of a woman who's expected to 'show blood' as proof of her virginity (when such proof doesn't exist).
Just as masturbation - involving vaginal penetration - is perhaps avoided out of fear of 'bursting' the hymen.

Even worse is perhaps the growing tendency among doctors in medical clinics who offer a 'hymen reconstruction' operation.
In such a procedure part of the mucous membrane of the vagina is sewn together (the hymen itself is too small to be of interest).
An absolutely absurd procedure where nothing is reconstructed, but in fact created to ensure bleeding during sex.
Doctors who are meant to spread knowledge on health & disease in our enlightened societies are keeping a myth alive.
(Although I can fully understand the desperate women caught in a culture of stupidity - and doctors who wish to help them).


So is this common knowledge and complete waste of forum space? Or just "too long - didn't read"?

Man you really are one sad boy wanting attention...

 

[iamahorse]

And you're an *******. Not even the cool kind, but the smelly kind that convicts plunge their dicks into.

 

[Zakuno2]

Wow. I seriously didn't know any of that. Now I consider myself informed. And knowledge is half the battle. The other half is death and destruction.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Man you really are one sad boy wanting attention...

Repeating what you've heard directed at yourself simply to attempt, in some strange way and fueled by some strange hope, to put yourself in the position of your attackers is pathetic at best. Grow up.