The European Union. Everyone keep calm. Be civil.

[Mad Vader]

Let's pull out NATO troops out of Poland and see how they feel about childish games.

 

[AreJohn]

>NATO is the same thing as the EU

 

[Varalir]

Good for Poland 

 

[Catholic]

I don't blame NATO for looking away in the case of violations, the point of NATO is to be a military alliance while the EU is seeking more political and economic integration, so I don't blame it too much for its desire to keep member states in line. Just why now, when EU cohesion is most critical? When the opportunity to act against Hungary long passed?

 

[Mad Vader]

Why workers strike when it's most painful for their employers? That's why.

>NATO is the same thing as the EU

Most NATO countries are in the EU, don't be daft.

 

[BenKenobi]

Those are two completely different organisations with two completely different raisons d'être. The idea that one should interfere with the other is quite silly.

 

[Mad Vader]

That's naive. A member of both organizations can play childish Polandball in one organization because of grievances in the other.
It's like when you and your nemesis are both in the university football and hockey teams. If he crushes your knee in football training, you break his teeth in hockey training. Was this Czech enough?

 

[BenKenobi]

No, the analogy does not work at all. NATO is here to secure the West against external threats, EU is here because of multitude of reasons. As long as what Poland does towards EU does not compromise the goal of NATO, it is not a NATO thing.

Just because my trading partner is unfaithful to his wife, I will not stop trading with him. I don't do the trading to secure his family or uphold family values. I do it to do the trading. These are two separate systems.

 

[Mad Vader]

It could happen, if your ideology is very important to you.
Especially if he cheats with your wife. 

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

That's naive. A member of both organizations can play childish Polandball in one organization because of grievances in the other.

Instead of just using analogies, consider the escalating confrontation between nordic NATO countries and modern Russia. The EU isn't the UN and doesn't interact with outside countries except for trade deals, so russian planes and submarines in the north sea is not its business. Similarly, Turkey is in NATO but has a very poor relationship with the EU.

If you had similar organisations within a state (department for defense, department for trade), they would probably never interact outside of an actual wartime situation.

 

[Mad Vader]

That's naive as well. The EU cares enough about Russian threats that it embargoes Russia. It's not a simple trading club with no foreign policy, including military policies.

Why are we having this discussion? It's so easy to understand if you don't deliberately try to argue the opposite.
Macron could say today, sorry Poland, you are being assholes, we are withdrawing our NATO contingent and moving them to the Baltic states. It's not likely, because it's a bit irresponsible coming from a serious country, but France, or anyone else, could certainly do it with some justification.

 

[AreJohn]

It would piss off the non-EU members of NATO for meddling with their **** due to an issue that doesn't involve the rest of the NATO members. It's a bad idea.

 

[Mad Vader]

Agreed, that's why serious countries don't do this, most of them won't stoop to Poland's level. But some would, if they didn't care much about their rep.

 

[Do not look here]

Sounds like someone's jealous of Great Poland.

Don't worry, though, our new Prime Minister declared that he'll re-Christianize Europe, soon you'll be safe from evil jew-gay-muslim-russians as well.

 

[Bromden]

What a coincidence, Orbán's office has a direct phone line to God. (Or was it the other way around?)

 

[Mad Vader]

I'm fairly sick of Central Europe and its conservative peasants voting for authoritarian nationalist assholes. Luckily there is precariously left-leaning Slovenia, but nationalist neighbors tend to help home nationalists.

 

[Marko͘]

Well apparently we could be seeing each other on the trenchlines if this ridiculous border dispute keeps going on.

 

[Bromden]

I'm fairly sick of Central Europe and its conservative peasants voting for authoritarian nationalist assholes. Luckily there is precariously left-leaning Slovenia, but nationalist neighbors tend to help home nationalists.

The alternative to Orbán is to vote for the ex-commies, who gave the order to shoot at people in one of our biggest public holidays (which is about the '56 revolution), or to vote for Jobbik, who are your typical clueless, dumb****, loudmouth pocket fascists. Yay, democracy!

 

[crodio]

Vote for lukács

 

[Dystopian]

I'm fairly sick of Central Europe and its conservative peasants voting for authoritarian nationalist assholes. Luckily there is precariously left-leaning Slovenia, but nationalist neighbors tend to help home nationalists.

The alternative to Orbán is to vote for the ex-commies, who gave the order to shoot at people in one of our biggest public holidays (which is about the '56 revolution), or to vote for Jobbik, who are your typical clueless, ****, loudmouth pocket fascists. Yay, democracy!

Monarchy?! Bomben, anzwer the question