dalai pasha 说:human nature (among justice) is quite subjective and to me it is neutral without the influence of the society.
To you human nature is subjective and neutral without the influence of society, but to other people, such as professional psychologists, human nature and society are both caused by and affected by each other.
It is human nature for people to form bonds and be gregarious. When you have a group of people forming bonds and interacting together, this is a society. Once there is a society, it starts to become hierarchical, and the dominant member(s) begin to exert his/her influence and ideals over the society. Eventually laws arise to protect all members within that specific society, and the laws of each society change, and the further away they get from each other, the more they change.
This, along with the will to live, is the very basis of human nature. Now, it is possible for a strong-willed individual to overcome human nature, by, say, learning to live alone without any human interaction. Or by overcoming the human pre-programmed ability to fight back if threatened, by becoming a pacifist.
Scientists have done experiments with monkeys, who also are gregarious in nature and form societies. They took 2 baby monkeys, and put them into 2 seperate cages, where they could not see each other. One was given milk in a bowl or a bottle, and given nothing else. The second baby monkey was given a substitute mother -- a fur-covered monkey-shaped doll, from which is could 'suckle' milk. It was also given stimuli, such as toys. When the first monkey matured it was neurotic, violent and anti-social. The second monkey was a more 'normal' monkey... it had some social interaction and did not freak out at the sight of other monkeys. They haven't done this experiment on kids yet because it's deemed unethical.
So we see, humans, by their very nature, form societies. Gotta have someone watching your back when that cave lion's looking hungry.
i read most of the arguments here but it is surprising that almost nobody mentions the fundamental reasons of crime like private property, unjust distribution of welfare etc. and discuss which one would be more pragmatic. screw benefits we are talking about lives! what are you all americans??!!!?
Oh yes, because it is private property, not greed, that is the problem here.
Let me share with you an anecdote. The dojo where I go training is an old mill, with ancient copper wires run through the building to distribute electricity. There are 4 wires in total, and a tonne of copper can be sold for about £2000. One evening, somebody came along, cut the power to the building, and stole one of the wires. Bugger, now we have to put in a generator to power some of the rooms. Then, a few nights later, the same thing happened again. Now the sensei was struggling -- the ability to run and power the dojo is his livelihood. He may only be leasing the building, but if one more wire goes, the dojo will have to shut down and he will have no income. Gasp Horror!
He knew it couldn't be the nearby gypsies doing the thieving, because they're not that stupid. So the next night he sat in the dojo with another sensei and waited. Sure enough, a few hours later, along come a five heroin addicts and their tools turned up, all ready to cut the power, take the copper wire and put him out of business. So they caught these guys, had a nice long talk with them, and 4 hours later handed them over to the police/ambulance crew.
The moral of the story is this; when I have a job, I work hard to earn my money. With my money, I buy things that I like -- not because I am a capitalist pig-dog, but because I DESERVE nice things. So if somebody comes along with the intention of stealing my things, you're bloody right that I'm going to beat them senseless with a bigstick, and they better hope to god I don't have time to reach one of my daggers.
When I was 10 years old, somebody stole my pet rabbit, it's hutch, and it's run. At Christmas. Now what kind of person does that to a child, at Christmas? It's too bad that if you beat somebody senseless when they break into your property, you get in trouble for it. IMO, if they don't want a beating, they shouldn't be stealing.



