The death of Swadia within the first year?

[Babaganoush]

I know Swadia is a nation surrounded by enemies, but in vanilla native, they survived for quite awhile, even expanding sometimes.

However, I have played three games so far in the Floris mod to test out various troop trees... but Swadia always has the same outcome in my games.
The diplomacy forces nations to go war constantly with each other, and most of the time Swadia is it.

This is how it looks like in my current game:

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Is anyone else experiencing this?

 

[Lavalya]

for me swadia right now is actually capturing a couple castles in the game im playing now, and strangely vaegirs are losing to nords and khergits, nords lose castles to swadia, rhodok is completely stomping sarranid, which I find extremely funny, cause this has never happened to me ever before.

Anyway, ive played five games now, in 4 of 5 vaegirs and sarranid ally the entire game, first taking out swadia and the nords, with a couple sieges on khergit inbetween. Rhodok has only ever attacked swadia except for the game im playing now, and the nords hate the vaegirs but always lose even when the vaegirs are at war with three nations at once.

Imo sarranids and vaegirs shouldn't be allying that much and rhodok's position is just bad for swadia.. since they can hardly attack anyone else. thats the main reason swadia loses alot of land most games, rhodok constantly pressure them and when another nation declares war on them they're gonna lose holdings.

 

[Ikaguia]

in my game swadia made an alliance with the sarranids, fight with the nords, khergits and rhodoks. the vaegirs fought the nords. and the sarranids fought the khergits.

swadia has been almost destroyed in 2 months, nords conquered one town, rhodok two and swadia holded one. khergit conquered a sarranid city, but then lost it and a castle. vaegirs conquered wercheg.

 

[Lavalya]

in my game swadia made an alliance with the sarranids, fight with the nords, khergits and rhodoks. the vaegirs fought the nords. and the sarranids fought the khergits.

swadia has been almost destroyed in 2 months, nords conquered one town, rhodok two and swadia holded one. khergit conquered a sarranid city, but then lost it and a castle. vaegirs conquered wercheg.

They seem to do this every single game, even when their castles are under siege. kinda weird, they lose three castles but gain wercheg or sargoth.

But yeah, Swadia's politics are very flawed. I make fortunes rescueing their captured lords, and am often forced to join them just to prevent other factions from conquering them and so upsetting the balance for when im starting my own kingdom.

 

[rbcarter101]

I have to say, I have also played with this issue, Swadia was down two cities by the end of the first month... Its kinda annoying...

 

[Nicholas Bell]

I don't think you can generalize that Swadia always loses.  I am nearing day 2800 and they still there and fairly strong.  They have been allied to the Sarranides practically the entire game, and helped eliminate the Rhodoks and Nords, and were a terrible menace to the Vaegirs the entire game both when I was a vassal and since I quit them.  While I am in the process of taking over all of Calradia, Swadia still holds Wercheg and Dhirim along with a handful of castles.  But not for long. 

 

[Babaganoush]

As much as I try to avoid Swadia due to their overpowered knights (I never tried their units in Floris yet though), I hate to see kingdoms fall within the first year.

I wish there was something I could do to avoid this from happening

 

[Dudeski]

As much as I try to avoid Swadia due to their overpowered knights (I never tried their units in Floris yet though), I hate to see kingdoms fall within the first year.

I wish there was something I could do to avoid this from happening

Work for them from the start, as a merc or as a vassal. If you help them in the first 2-3 months it makes a huge difference in their long term survivability. It is kind of counter intuitive, but if you plan to become a kind it's often much more rewarding to constantly fight for the losing side.

 

[Stildawn]

They should have their units ramped up a little over all.. To give them a slight benefit... They are the old empire after all aint they?

 

[dragonchris]

They should have their units ramped up a little over all.. To give them a slight benefit... They are the old empire after all aint they?

I think the problem comes mostly from them being in the center than their unit strength. Unit strength doesn't matter much when the entire map is at war with you. Also they aren't the old empire, more of the closest relative to the old caldarians, along with the rhodoks.

 

[Stildawn]

I thought the Rhods broke away from the Swadian part of the Empire or something?

Yeah its no doubt their position on the map lol Im just saying to compensate that... A slight ramp up in troops skills would fix cause as far as I know the AI uses troop number combined with troop levels for autoresolve?

 

[Alpharius]

In my game the swadians are about to wipe out the nords and took some khergit stuff as well.
Note that my character was neutral the entire game, i only helped some rhodok lord against bandits once.

Swadia is fine i guess, its just random.

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[MilosM]

In my game swadia is always gone within few months, i always try to help them and i always fail.

 

[Thoridon]

They're down to just Praven on my game too, almost 200 days in. Stupidly they declared war on the Nords after already being at war with the Khergits and Rhodoks. I joined up with Swadia to help out and got my army destroyed repeatedly :p For me...

Sarranids: 7
Nords: 6
Rhodoks: 4
Khergits: 3
Vaegirs: 1
Swadians: 1

I lost a lot of time early on joining Swadia and being at war with pretty much everyone. Never got much chance to level companions and had to rebuild my army from scratch several times. I left them to go back to building up trade enterprises and leveling companions for a while, before I'm strong enough to actually make a difference.

 

[imgran]

They're very good at dying, aren't they? And when they survive at all, they tend to do a lot of owning of their neighbors.  The balance is just plain hard to keep right.

 

[Patone]

Oh, and the Sarranids always ally them and the Vaegirs. It seems to happen EVERY TIME, and it's so damn annoying...

 

[Ikaguia]

sarranids + swadian = alliance... always.
but it don't seem to be a floris bug, because even in Me, Floris, the swadians allied with the sarranids. I think it is because the sarranids want to have help from the swadians to conquer both rhodoks and khergits and the swadians want to defend themselves from everyone else.

 

[Babaganoush]

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Out of my whole MB experience, THIS just happened to me the first time in the game.

They have zero fiefs. No castles. No towns. Nothing.

Yet he went back and Harlaus magically appeared again.

They're more like the "Swadian rebels" as all they do now is raid villages.

 

[dragonchris]

sarranids + swadian = alliance... always.
but it don't seem to be a floris bug, because even in Me, Floris, the swadians allied with the sarranids. I think it is because the sarranids want to have help from the swadians to conquer both rhodoks and khergits and the swadians want to defend themselves from everyone else.

I think it is more of a not being direct neighbors. I my games the kingdoms mostly allied with their farthest neighbor. Think they are less likely to have bad relations since they aren't competing for the same land.

 

[rbcarter101]

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Out of my whole MB experience, THIS just happened to me the first time in the game.

They have zero fiefs. No castles. No towns. Nothing.

Yet he went back and Harlaus magically appeared again.

They're more like the "Swadian rebels" as all they do now is raid villages.

Its a new feature in the mod pack.