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The command interface is obsolete, downright silly and needs a total overhaul.

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Aurex

Veteran
WB
Hello there.
I've been trying a new playthrough recently, Southern Empire. Usually sparring with Khuzait and Western Empire.
That gave me plenty of time to see what kind of improvements have been made and what's still sorely lacking. I could (and I probably will) write down a list of what I believe is needed and what I think is completely broken at a certain point, but one thing above all made me lose my patience enough times that I probably need some kind of blood pressure medication (just kidding, but still.)
The "Command Interface."
I gave Warband a pass for this because, let's be honest, it was basically an indie game made with breadcrumbs, hope and some talent. Maybe duct tape too, a la MacGyver. Loved that game to death, especially when modded. Still, the core was that of a 1998 action game crammed into a slightly more modern engine, with 2050 ambitions in it. And that kinda worked and had its charm, I will not deny it. That's why we're here... most of us, at least.
Now, Bannerlord. Imagine this. There's a king who directs his troops by screaming order at them, basically. He's well aware he's about to charge a huge numbers of horse archers with his cataphracts, he's done it hundreds of times. So he has his shield up, his spear ready. He's positioning his troops before ordering a charge.
He begins drooling uncontrollably, drops his shield arm and is stuck gazing at the abyss for five or six seconds before he can process the order he has to relay, that is: "CHARGE."
In the meantime he gets a frigging arrow in the head, since he couldn't SHOUT AND LIFT HIS LEFT ARM AT THE SAME TIME.
The army charges stupidly, wins, but with 25 times the losses it would have had with decent leadership.
Now... where am I going with this. The command interface is atrocious, it's a joke, it's a vestigial remnant of a system that was obsolete in the FIRST Mount and Blade already. What was that, 2010? It was something out of the late nineties at best. It's begging to be replaced by a far superior system.
Who the hell came up with the idea of using this system again? Not only does your character spazz out for the time it takes you to give the orders (with paths that are absurd, pressing F2 F3 F1 F4 F2 F1 like a madman while trying to control your horse as most of your controls are basically gone until you're done is infuriating) but the whole navigating the inner "menus" is unnecessarily convoluted.
My suggestion? A pause system. Give me a TW-like perspective and let me issue clear orders and waypoints while the game is frozen. Maybe add a fancy UI for that menu, with small painted or drawn icons. You have superb artists, use them. If that's not something you wouldn't want to implement, then at least let me pause and give orders without the constant risk of being mauled, stabbed, slashed, pierced, ran over to death because my character is apparently a drooling moron who can't shout and use his hands at the same time. Seriously, it's infuriating beyond belief.

Cordially, someone who can chew bubblegum and use a keyboard at the same time.
 

Twezie

Sergeant at Arms
WB
i think theres a mod where you can shout orders like infantry hold position or cavalry charge etc.

but i am not opposed to a pause system, even though i think that it being real time is more realistic, and also i think the focus should be on everything but this, no offense :grin:
 

Aurex

Veteran
WB
but i am not opposed to a pause system, even though i think that it being real time is more realistic, and also i think the focus should be on everything but this, no offense :grin:
Ah, none taken! It's definitely more realistic, yeah. But if we have to go for realism, we should be able to yell in our microphones. That way we could at least be able to do something with our arms in the meantime :smile:
 

MadVader

Duhpressed
Duke
M&BWB
Inappropriate behavior
Even shabby soft porn clones of Mount and Blade got this better.
I guess TW just can't innovate, likely a combination of rigid control and noobish interns when these design decisions were made, which they now rationalize as "we feel you need to experience everything in first person because it's immersive and we are lazy".
 

MRay

Developer
An option that slows down the game %75 while the order UI is open, has been implemented internally already. Will be live in the upcoming patches.
 
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Aurex

Veteran
WB
Lmao a TW player who pauses battles what a virgin
I actually only played a full campaign of Shogun. Not the second, the first one. So not really a TW player, just thinking a pause option would be extremely beneficial.
An option that slows down the game %75 have been implemented internally already. Will be live in the upcoming patches.
That's really good to know. So, something akin to RDR2's dead eye, right? It would alleviate the issue of giving orders a lot.
 
An option that slows down the game %75 while the order UI is open, has been implemented internally already. Will be live in the upcoming patches.
Awesome! Thank you very much for your work, I for one appreciate everything you all have done for the game. Love the game, money well spent.
 
Hello there.
I've been trying a new playthrough recently, Southern Empire. Usually sparring with Khuzait and Western Empire.
That gave me plenty of time to see what kind of improvements have been made and what's still sorely lacking. I could (and I probably will) write down a list of what I believe is needed and what I think is completely broken at a certain point, but one thing above all made me lose my patience enough times that I probably need some kind of blood pressure medication (just kidding, but still.)
The "Command Interface."
I gave Warband a pass for this because, let's be honest, it was basically an indie game made with breadcrumbs, hope and some talent. Maybe duct tape too, a la MacGyver. Loved that game to death, especially when modded. Still, the core was that of a 1998 action game crammed into a slightly more modern engine, with 2050 ambitions in it. And that kinda worked and had its charm, I will not deny it. That's why we're here... most of us, at least.
Now, Bannerlord. Imagine this. There's a king who directs his troops by screaming order at them, basically. He's well aware he's about to charge a huge numbers of horse archers with his cataphracts, he's done it hundreds of times. So he has his shield up, his spear ready. He's positioning his troops before ordering a charge.
He begins drooling uncontrollably, drops his shield arm and is stuck gazing at the abyss for five or six seconds before he can process the order he has to relay, that is: "CHARGE."
In the meantime he gets a frigging arrow in the head, since he couldn't SHOUT AND LIFT HIS LEFT ARM AT THE SAME TIME.
The army charges stupidly, wins, but with 25 times the losses it would have had with decent leadership.
Now... where am I going with this. The command interface is atrocious, it's a joke, it's a vestigial remnant of a system that was obsolete in the FIRST Mount and Blade already. What was that, 2010? It was something out of the late nineties at best. It's begging to be replaced by a far superior system.
Who the hell came up with the idea of using this system again? Not only does your character spazz out for the time it takes you to give the orders (with paths that are absurd, pressing F2 F3 F1 F4 F2 F1 like a madman while trying to control your horse as most of your controls are basically gone until you're done is infuriating) but the whole navigating the inner "menus" is unnecessarily convoluted.
My suggestion? A pause system. Give me a TW-like perspective and let me issue clear orders and waypoints while the game is frozen. Maybe add a fancy UI for that menu, with small painted or drawn icons. You have superb artists, use them. If that's not something you wouldn't want to implement, then at least let me pause and give orders without the constant risk of being mauled, stabbed, slashed, pierced, ran over to death because my character is apparently a drooling moron who can't shout and use his hands at the same time. Seriously, it's infuriating beyond belief.

Cordially, someone who can chew bubblegum and use a keyboard at the same time.

I've NEVER had the problems your stating, this seems like a fake post.

My problem with the command system is FAT FINGERS .. pressing the wrong button.. my fault. But I'm old with the vision of a bat.

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froggyluv

Grandmaster Knight
NW
Even shabby soft porn clones of Mount and Blade got this better.
I guess TW just can't innovate, likely a combination of rigid control and noobish interns when these design decisions were made, which they now rationalize as "we feel you need to experience everything in first person because it's immersive and we are lazy".

Bro you've hit the End of the Internet
 

Aurex

Veteran
WB
I've NEVER had the problems your stating, this seems like a fake post.

My problem with the command system is FAT FINGERS .. pressing the wrong button.. my fault. But I'm old with the vision of a bat.

.

.
Where did this come from? And what would I possibly be hoping to gain from pointing out something I feel should definitely be improved or revised? Some people just baffle me.
 

MRay

Developer
Looks good. Combined with the pre-battle deployment that's supposed to come with order of battle update, it'll be a big help!
One other bit I'd like is if there was also way to save our pre-battle deployment preference (formations and map position) so we don't always have to do it if say we use the same set up 9/10 battles.
They're already automatically saved and applied on the next encounter.
 
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