The Bridge is a death trap!

[Skot the Sanguine]

Since xbows now can penetrate shields, it would be trivial to kill any mob that thinks huddling together into one big target on a bridge is a good idea.

Crossbows don't penetrate higher quality shields.  It is only the crap default ones and maybe the next quality up or 2 that can also be pierced.  Whenever I fight Swadia or Rhodok I make sure to buy a good shield now

 

[Frostynuggetry]

I`m sorry about my simply bad argument

What about if somebody would make a tactics discussion topic

 

[Janus]

One other problem with huddling on the bridge: if an enemy can get a warhorse or charger through the initial pikemen/spearmen/whatever, everyone is all nice and lined up and packed together to get trampled to death.

 

[ares007]

I apologize, I got the notion that you were saying bridges are not good defensive positions.  As you said, obviously I misread what you were saying.

No problem  . I'm glad we understand each other now 

I`m sorry about my simply bad argument

What about if somebody would make a tactics discussion topic

no offense taken 

Um... isn't this a tactics discussion? 
Honestly though, I think it's best to have topics about specific tactics because there are many tactical topics to talk about. I think a general tactics topic would get a little too hard to keep track of. I suppose it might not be a bad idea though.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I`m sorry about my simply bad argument

What about if somebody would make a tactics discussion topic

I just hope you're not apologising to Arch.

 

[jlgx50]

One other problem with huddling on the bridge: if an enemy can get a warhorse or charger through the initial pikemen/spearmen/whatever, everyone is all nice and lined up and packed together to get trampled to death.

yer I noticed that

it doesn't matter if you have a pike in your hand and you make a spear wall or something, a spear doesn't stop charging horses with armour, it would just keep going through, and if the horse is supported with infantry it gives them the advantage to kill you while your down 

Then again if there isn't and armoured horses it's pretty easy to hold the bridge with a few war axes

heh that's when people start jumping off the bridge

 

[Archonsod]

I`m sorry about my simply bad argument

It wasn't a bad argument, just pointless If you don't see the point in a topic, don't post in it. Posting solely to say "this topic is pointless" constitutes spam as far as I'm concerned. If the thread was pointless it'd be locked/removed/moved to a more appropriate place as soon as a mod or admin saw it.

Honestly though, I think it's best to have topics about specific tactics because there are many tactical topics to talk about. I think a general tactics topic would get a little too hard to keep track of. I suppose it might not be a bad idea though.

General tactics would be somewhat too general to be of much use I think. It'd be better to divide them into faction / class / map discussions.

 

[Plazek]

Bridge often works well. Course as has been said it depends on many things.
Thing is any tactic can be beaten by another tactic, there is no ultimate tactic that can win every time. There are times being on the bridge is better than the end and vice versa and there are times when the bridge won't work at all. Thats why tactics are fun.

 

[Temujin]

One other problem with huddling on the bridge: if an enemy can get a warhorse or charger through the initial pikemen/spearmen/whatever, everyone is all nice and lined up and packed together to get trampled to death.

wich is why there should be a brace pike abillity

 

[zaldron]

A couple of days ago, I was on the vent server talking to a few people there. We were on this map and were getting raped to hell staying on the bridge. I saw the little village next to the bridge and decided to check it out, seemed like a perfect place to defend. Through text I advised everyone to move from the bridge to the village and hold 3 points. The entrance, the rear entrance( back behind the two buildings, and the sides. With just pikes and crossbowmen and a little leadership coordination, we held this place every time against cavalry and cal archers. Just a little FYi for you guys as an option. You are covered not only by buildings, but you have a height advantage, and they have to jump over the fence if they really want to get inside at you. this of course slows them down from a effective charge and make it easy to pork'em on your pike.

 

[Cormac BAMC]

One other problem with huddling on the bridge: if an enemy can get a warhorse or charger through the initial pikemen/spearmen/whatever, everyone is all nice and lined up and packed together to get trampled to death.

wich is why there should be a brace pike abillity

Well, as long as horse trample damage is greatly decreased I don't mind. Just learn to release the pike at the right time.

 

[Róisín]

I think I started the "Camp on the bridge" thing.  I was playing Nords (?) against a mostly cavalry Swadian force.  Their cavalry were charging in, and our guys were too.. umm, "enthusiastic" to keep in a tight group that could take them out.  We were loosing most of the time.  I convinced our own couple hero-cavalry to give up their mounts, and got everyone to the middle of the bridge, spears on the outsides (Nord Scout, spawn without horse).

Basically, part of it was to create a choke-point where their cavalry would die quickly against a tight group of all our infantry and part of it was to FORCE our infantry to stay tighter (Use physical restraints to contain the weak links on the team ).  While the flanks killed horses, the archers shot infantry and hacked up dehorsed Swadians that slid to the middle of the bridge.  It worked well, and we went on a major winning streak until their cavalry stopped charging at the start of each round.  Then we had to adapt our tactics again.

Those are about the only conditions I'd use the bridge with:  enemy 1/2 to 2/3 non-ranged cavalry all charging right at the beginning and my own team not able to stay cohesive.

 

[Archonsod]

A couple of days ago, I was on the vent server talking to a few people there. We were on this map and were getting raped to hell staying on the bridge. I saw the little village next to the bridge and decided to check it out, seemed like a perfect place to defend.

It is, but beware of people jumping on the low roof and firing down into the yard, and remember to get archers up on the stairways where the wall and steps will protect them from arrows and lances. Main mistake I see people make in both the houses is standing in the centre of the courtyard rather than getting in to the sides where the buildings can protect you.

 

[RyanR]

There's a few elementary tactical mistakes people make. Like those who think it's a good idea to form a shield or spear wall in the open, or my personal favourite those who try to form a line under the rear arch on ruins. Because protecting the flanks is much more important than protecting the rear

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