The Arquebus

[Timesitheus]

And why did Barclay lose their foreskins and turned ottoman? You  should have opted for something more fitting, like Barclay Musketoon or Barclay Boomstick in hommage to an invaluable piece of cinematic art! Hehehe...

Indeed. The term Janissary refers specifically to the elite Turkish guards of the Ottoman empire. Not only is this culturally inappropriate (since Barclay feels European to me), the use of real historical naming terms in a fantasy setting is quite jarring. Why? Because these terms are almost inseparable from their historical context. When I hear the word Janissary, I immediately think of enlightenment age Turkey. Just like Old guard conjures up images of Napoleonic France. The use of such terms detract from the immersion of being in a fantasy setting. I suggest renaming it to something more appropriate.

How is that "culturally inappropriate"? Barclay is a fictional country in a fictional universe, and Janissary is a hundreds of years old term. Who cares? And why aren't they separable? When I hear Janissary, I think of the real world soldiers employed by Turks hundreds of years ago. When I hear Barclay Janissary I think of fictional troops used by fictional nation in a fictional universe. And isn't using real world terms in fantasy quite common actually? Terms like "Templars" and "Knights" are frequently used in fantasy.

You might as well say that Mettenheim should be renamed to something else because they are too German. Barclay renamed to something else because they are too Spanish. Melitene, because they are too Byzantine. Fierdsvain, because they are too Viking etc. Can't use lord titles, like Duke, Lord, King, Count, Legatus, Dux, Khan, Emir etc. Empire is full of Greco-Roman references. Remove Legionaries, Gladiators, immortals... We can go on and on. Most of this mod should be renamed in that case.

 

[Graeghan]

That's the thing though, Mettenheim is internally consistent with its naming, as is Baccus, Fierdsvain, Melitine and so on. And then you have Barclay where Chevaliers exist side by side with Janissaries? Bwa?

I'll grant that it's a fictional world so the rules of real world need not apply, but when you use actual, real-world, names with actual, real-world, connotations it's gonna raise a few eyebrows when things which are a good distance away from each other in space and history are lumped together under a common label.

 

[sher]

I guess devs are too tired with whole Barclay naming and attempts to make Sappers very unique so came up with Janissaries name for no apparent reason.

 

[ArnulfFloyd]

I agree as its a fictional world but I am for realism and accuracy - we have Fierdsvain Cataphracts and Baccus Huscarls

 

[noosers]

I don´t know sher, but you´re probably right. Barclay Boomstick Sappers would most likely have exceeded the available space for a name  but Barclay Firezapper would have done. 
As for the units Arnulf Floyd mentions - it´s a new regime and they decided to name the units how it seemed deeming for their purpose. Me, personally, would object against all tree names and the invention of firearms but that isn´t my pail of coffee any longer. So: Nicely done!

 

[Graeghan]

I'm all for firearms, and in fact think their introduction doesn't go far enough - for my money, Mettenheim should have pistol-packing cavalry units. 

 

[ArnulfFloyd]

Whats happens if Valkyries become Reiters(I imagine as these shieldmaiden will defeat Snake Cult Priestesses) I want to shoot Azi and Erida

 

[sher]

but Barclay Firezapper would have done. 

Browny Shootas then.

 

[Mutineer]

I do not understand the discussion. I never had a gun dropped. Never had ammo dropped. The only gun I see in the game belong to Donavan and the only ammo is from the chest. Companions even do not have an option for ammo in automatic weapon load.

How you can get more guns? Unless I am missing something.
PS: I did fight against gun-wielding armies.

 

[ArnulfFloyd]

I am upset as fans are too bad with devs and modders, let them in peace because they spent weeks and even years of free time for please some angry adolescents which not understand hard work. I considers as Pendor team knows why they include firearms, suggestionss were not realistically at all

 

[Sir Mark The Mighty.]

I do not understand the discussion. I never had a gun dropped. Never had ammo dropped. The only gun I see in the game belong to Donavan and the only ammo is from the chest. Companions even do not have an option for ammo in automatic weapon load.

How you can get more guns? Unless I am missing something.
PS: I did fight against gun-wielding armies.

Bad luck on your side I guess, people don't get that this mod is FREE, devs can do whatever the **** they want for obvious reasons. Hell, they should add more guns overtime if they really want to.

 

[KarGreight Alkhanuni]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

 

[MitchyMatt]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

 

[KarGreight Alkhanuni]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

Are you that matt that created mitch mod for attilla?

 

[KarGreight Alkhanuni]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

And Turkish name for european soldiers is not good.

 

[lconracl]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

And Turkish name for european soldiers is not good.

There is no Europe in Pendor universe. So what "european soldiers" are you talking about?

 

[King Edric]

I see this discussion is still going on 

 

[KarGreight Alkhanuni]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

And Turkish name for european soldiers is not good.

There is no Europe in Pendor universe. So what "european soldiers" are you talking about?

But dshar is like steppe nomads,Fierdswain like vikings,Sarleon like england,and ravenstern like france.Baccus empire like roman,and barclay is like european,so why turkish name for it?

 

[lconracl]

I cant understand why janissaries too,name them barclay firetroops,or arquebusirs,janissaris can be in dsar culture.

It's a great name for them.

And Turkish name for european soldiers is not good.

There is no Europe in Pendor universe. So what "european soldiers" are you talking about?

But dshar is like steppe nomads,Fierdswain like vikings,Sarleon like england,and ravenstern like france.Baccus empire like roman,and barclay is like european,so why turkish name for it?

Because why not.

 

[Gorvex]

But dshar is like steppe nomads,Fierdswain like vikings,Sarleon like england,and ravenstern like france.Baccus empire like roman,and barclay is like european,so why turkish name for it?

If you are so inclined towards historical comparisons, than I'd like to ask you, in which universe did the Roman Empire live long enough to see late medieval France, England, Switzerland, etc? When did they wear heavy plate armor and had heavy cavalry covered in plates too? When did bows and firearms coexist in Europe? (Japan and china is a different matter) Or when were the Vikings present during all of these? And so on...

Furthermore, Ravenstern is a mix of Scots too, Sarleon can be just as France as England, crossbows didn't exist when Vikings were present, etc.

I hope you can see that it's already a big mess when it comes to history equivalents of the major factions. Therefore, just let go of history and let fantasy flow in its place.