Aren't Euro governments starting to push deradicalization training as part of sentencing for domestic ISIS supporters? I've said elsewhere that the school system in this country doesn't adequately educate kids to not be terrible people. You need to make people realize that the temptation of nazism and fascism and white supremacy won't solve their problems, and you also need to remove the contact between the radicalizing forces and the susceptible population. You don't just say "oh well, kids are going to find ISIS anyway" and leave them alone.Goker said:
My point is that these people don't act in good faith, they'll never act in good faith, and their point is to force other people to act in the same way. If they respond to an incorrect perception of disenfranchisement with hate and violence, you don't give them what they want. They want to roll back society to white supremacy, because they perceive any degradation in white supremacy as a direct attack. They must be taught that their status in life is not being attacked, but rather that other people are getting a more fair chance at life. That can't be done when they've already made it to the "literally nazis" stage.Goker said:
Local resistance to extremist rhetoric and violence is what's possible for individual people to do on a daily basis. Showing up to counterprotest takes courage, and if the counterprotest hadn't happened, that would have been tacit acceptance of the KKK/Neo-nazi presence as being legitimate. The KKK was defanged during the Civil Rights era by mass movements and legal efforts. Both are needed, since legal efforts without popular support lead to continued radicalism, whereas popular movements without legal support can be ineffectual in developed societies.Goker said:
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No, you're right. Definitely agree with everything there. But also believe this is important. https://twitter.com/TommyRefenes/status/896441353386590209Feragorn said:
Yes, they must be taught that but I'm not sure everyone in those protests have made it to the literally nazi stage. Plus, the way you treat those at literally nazi stage does have an impact on potential future literally nazis.Feragorn said:
I do believe that each opinion should be respected and there is no such thing as a thought crime. If white supremacists only believe that whites are superior and do not take action to further their beliefs, they need to be debated, not beaten or silenced.Feragorn said:
It is rather ironic to see people who jump at every chance to claim "Islamic terrorism" try to squirm their way out of this one.Areze said:
Certainly this exacerbates problems, but people like to jump on "the media" in all its forms as a cause of all sorts of issues. Publicizing the violence that these people are capable of can also be important in showing people that they're not just other people with opinions, they're threats to others.Goker said:
I'm not sure how I should react to being punched in the face by a guy who's not wearing a swastika, but is standing next to and protesting with guys who are wearing swastikas.Goker said:
I'm not advocating for unlawful assaults on people, I'm saying that judicious self defence is always necessary when interacting with people who are calling for my (me, personally!) genocide. I've never had a conversation where I convinced a Nazi to stop being a Nazi. None of the "debate, engagement, etc" reactions to Nazis lately have ever convinced anyone to stop being a Nazi. The debate is just as much of a propaganda point for extremists as actual clashes. Look at how they've handled negative media coverage. Look at how they handle internet discourse. It's not productive.Goker said:
And instead of proving that you got rekt in the debate, you failing to convince a nazi to stop being one is further proof that talking doesn't work?Feragorn said:
Comrade Temuzu said:And instead of proving that you got rekt in the debate, you failing to convince a nazi to stop being one is further proof that talking doesn't work?
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