Taleworlds: Is this all we can expect?...

[NLCRich]

The guy on the left here is you. And on the right over there, well that is unfortunately where bannerlord is right now. Keep fanning the flames till it all burns down. Go you. I hope you feel like you did something. In reality though you probably just have a lot of pent up energy and need to let it out on something that is actually productive instead of acting like a jerk on these forums.

 

[Elbromas]

Avoiding any points Ive made doesnt make yours more valid either. No points made, your not looking for a debate, just trying to look down on others. Shoo

Someone tell me this isn't real, please this comment has to be ironic, it isn't possible someone lacks reason to comment this. You literally made your account to insult and look down on taleworlds hahahaha, I haven't seen a single suggestion coming from you only flaming people that support the company or criticize it in a civilized way. Go enlist he says, yeah no wonder he thinks violence achieves something, he has been brainwashed by a sergeant

 

[froggyluv]

I would say your points are equally insubstantial, but you havent made any.
Suggested enlistment to wipe the disney rose tinted glasses your wearing clear.

hehe not taking the bait kid -your just a crouton in the salad bowl of life. Enjoy your revolution.

 

[musashii89]

hehe not taking the bait kid -your just a crouton in the salad bowl of life. Enjoy your revolution.

'Bait' being a discussion invitation. ?

 

[musashii89]

No I read your arguments and then I dismissed them. I dismissed them because if you think aggression is the correct approach, then you're wrong, and people like you have always been wrong, all through the ages. "The answer to fix the problems is to make more problems!!" Exactly what was said in any town before its people perished or moved on because of how unproductive such an attitude is. One cannot build anything with that type of attitude. It just ends up being problems and more problems and nothing gets done.

Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.


“It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

Measured aggression can be justified, thats why your country has armed forces.

 

[NLCRich]

Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.


“It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

Measured aggression can be justified, thats why your country has armed forces.

Ghandi in his statement is generally referring to violence being preferable to helplessness, or inability to do anything about a problem. However, if you looked at his life and what he did, you would see that he chose the peaceful approach always whenever available as a means to solve a problem. And you might also find, that he was able to be an effective force in removing the British Empire from his homeland, almost strictly because of how effective his peaceful approach was.

Similarly, we have ways to create productivity here without such actions. Opportunities exist around every corner to post positive feedback, provide good insight, help resolve bugs, and so on. I hadn't been super involved on this forum until just a short while ago, and yet in the short time I've been here I have been able to post half a dozen bug reports that were reported in QA, have conversations with a dev where our ideas were valued and in some ways were effectively put into the game, see the actual code behind certain areas of the game and gain some insight into the development, and actually see the growth and progress in the game version to version in the areas they are working on. I hope that you are able to learn that if you put your energy toward being a productive force, you'd have far greater impact.

 

[Elbromas]

Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.


“It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. Violence is any day preferable to impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

Measured aggression can be justified, thats why your country has armed forces.

Is this guy really quoting people who worked for peace and fought real oppression to justify making edgy conspiracy theories about an indie game company? The cringe is getting levels we didn't expected fellas.
Armed forces have more than one use, and they're getting useless as society develops, because if we all still advocated for violence we should just live in the wilderness and kill each other for whatever reason lmao.

 

[froggyluv]

You guys just dont get it -this guy is freakin Rambo meets the Mahatma and he's sent by God to save us all from our base White Knight-ism. We're just too blinded by our senseless Taleworld adoration to see it. Much like our Grandfathers of WW2 -he is standing up to an evil so vile, the foul barnyard odor of Computer Game Developer Facism! This is bigger than Cain vs Able bigger than Fred vs Barney Rubble, bigger than the Fuhrer vs the Free World -this is the greatest Samurai who ever lived -reincarnate to save us from lazy deceitful PC game developers. And i for one thank God for his arrival.

 

[musashii89]

Ghandi in his statement is generally referring to violence being preferable to helplessness, or inability to do anything about a problem. However, if you looked at his life and what he did, you would see that he chose the peaceful approach always whenever available as a means to solve a problem. And you might also find, that he was able to be an effective force in removing the British Empire from his homeland, almost strictly because of how effective his peaceful approach was.

Similarly, we have ways to create productivity here without such actions. Opportunities exist around every corner to post positive feedback, provide good insight, help resolve bugs, and so on. I hadn't been super involved on this forum until just a short while ago, and yet in the short time I've been here I have been able to post half a dozen bug reports that were reported in QA, have conversations with a dev where our ideas were valued and in some ways were effectively put into the game, see the actual code behind certain areas of the game and gain some insight into the development, and actually see the growth and progress in the game version to version in the areas they are working on. I hope that you are able to learn that if you put your energy toward being a productive force, you'd have far greater impact.

We are helpless in this circumstance, thanks for making that point for me. So you acknowledge there is a niche use for violence? If so check previous replies where I have articulated WHY I have chosen this approach. This Is why I accuse you of not reading.

If you have not been here long you have not had time to become frustrated by the apparent lack of use of that valuable feedback. Some people need encouragement, some people need a kick in the ass. Ive put over 1000hrs into seeing the rate of change and (lack of) responses to feedback. Continuing a strategy that does not produce results is Einsteins definition of insanity.

Devs are not my intended target as they do not have the authority needed to make changes I see as necessary. Question: Assuming the rate of development is the issue as I portray it, how would you increase it? My angle is negative PR for the company to try and influence their hiring policy.

The guy on the left here is you. And on the right over there, well that is unfortunately where bannerlord is right now. Keep fanning the flames till it all burns down. Go you. I hope you feel like you did something. In reality though you probably just have a lot of pent up energy and need to let it out on something that is actually productive instead of acting like a jerk on these forums.

Ironic, The character on the left (Jeff) is actually trying to extinguish the flames, albiet comedically

Quote from the same show "None of us is righteous, no, not one"

 

[Elbromas]

Double posting is against the rules friend

 

[NLCRich]

We are helpless in this circumstance, thanks for making that point for me. So you acknowledge there is a niche use for violence? If so check previous replies where I have articulated WHY I have chosen this approach. This Is why I accuse you of not reading.

If you have not been here long you have not had time to become frustrated by the apparent lack of use of that valuable feedback. Some people need encouragement, some people need a kick in the ass. Ive put over 1000hrs into seeing the rate of change and (lack of) responses to feedback. Continuing a strategy that does not produce results is Einsteins definition of insanity.

Devs are not my intended target as they do not have the authority needed to make changes I see as necessary. Question: Assuming the rate of development is the issue as I portray it, how would you increase it? My angle is negative PR for the company to try and influence their hiring policy.

The niche use for violence is when it is the only means to prevent destruction of self. However, you are just self destructing.

The rate of progress of the game has been increasing steadily for some time. Motives for companies to bring on more people include:

- Increased profitability and growth
- Formation of new services / products

And as a result of their growth TW has already begun a process of expansion, but that rate of expansion is not going to be influenced by your ranting. It is influenced by many other things including the state of the world, economy, and need, so on. Also as the company expands, new people can't just jump right in and make progress right away. There is training, understanding of how this game is coded, it's API as we call it. The only thing your ranting serves is either amusement, or frustration, for readers of the forum, depending on who they are.

 

[NLCRich]

Ironic, The character on the left (Jeff) is actually trying to extinguish the flames, albiet comedically

Quote from the same show "None of us is righteous, no, not one"

Exactly my point. That's why I used it. Just like your whole thread is ironic because it is doing the same thing, the opposite of what you are trying to do.

 

[musashii89]

The niche use for violence is when it is the only means to prevent destruction of self. However, you are just self destructing.

The rate of progress of the game has been increasing steadily for some time. Motives for companies to bring on more people include:

- Increased profitability and growth
- Formation of new services / products

And as a result of their growth TW has already begun a process of expansion, but that rate of expansion is not going to be influenced by your ranting. It is influenced by many other things including the state of the world, economy, and need, so on. Also as the company expands, new people can't just jump right in and make progress right away. There is training, understanding of how this game is coded, it's API as we call it. The only thing your ranting serves is either amusement, or frustration, for readers of the forum, depending on who they are.

By your moral values that's the threshold upon which it can be used. My values have a lower threshold due to my experience with those for which there is no longer a usable carrot.

Another motivation you may have overlooked is reputation.

Yes and given you know what an API is, you should also know that this point is moot. New resources, either automation or new people, can be allocated simple tasks, to learn on the job, which saves time of the more advanced developers.

Exactly my point. That's why I used it. Just like your whole thread is ironic because it is doing the same thing, the opposite of what you are trying to do.

And just like the image you accuse others of pointlessly fanning flames, when you have done just as much yourself. Realise that others feel just as vindicated in their views as yourself, if you want to change said view you must dissect the reason they hold such views.

What are you basing the assumption they have begun expansion? Or that my efforts will amount to nothing?

Also, in my view, common courtesy would require a response to the question posed, otherwise this isn't a conversation, its an attempted 'dressing down'.

 

[NLCRich]

By your moral values that's the threshold upon which it can be used. My values have a lower threshold due to my experience with those for which there is no longer a usable carrot.

Another motivation you may have overlooked is reputation.

Yes and given you know what an API is, you should also know that this point is moot. New resources, either automation or new people, can be allocated simple tasks, to learn on the job, which saves time of the more advanced developers.


And just like the image you accuse others of pointlessly fanning flames, when you have done just as much yourself. Realise that others feel just as vindicated in their views as yourself, if you want to change said view you must dissect the reason they hold such views.

What are you basing the assumption they have begun expansion? Or that my efforts will amount to nothing?

Also, in my view, common courtesy would require a response to the question posed, otherwise this isn't a conversation, its an attempted 'dressing down'.

It's not assumption, it is what I have seen here. All the information is available here to one who takes enough initiative to look. I say it will amount to nothing, because this same scenario has played out many times on these forums, even in just a short time. When one takes your approach, they rarely receive an answer. Some go on until they get bored, others lose control and end up muted or banned. However, answers are often given to those who use more amicable means, and who ask the right questions, and in the right forums. For example I saw a very similar thread where someone asked about progress in a cordial fashion and they did eventually get a response that they were working on it and were even told of a new hire. General Discussion is not the best place to post if you want a response from TW. Even if you got an answer, it would be something to the tune of "We are working on it" as they have been.

I mean, what do you expect? This sort of thread is typically glazed over... You think you're some golden hero who is going to come in here and cause progress by asking pointed questions and picking fights on a forum? The rate of patches and progress have picked up but its not good enough for you eh? So you come here and cry about it. Don't try to justify it behind some good intention.

Usually I don't post in these. But a lot has been getting done, and honestly TW deserves some credit for their efforts. That is part of the reason, and the other reason is you trolling all over other people's threads and causing problems, harassing people for their opinions, and so on. If all you had done is posted this thread, I would have just let it be. Eh, let him rant, I'd have thought. However, you seem to have absolutely no courtesy for your fellow forum members whatsoever, what threads you drive off course, and who you trample over on your path to nowhere. And yet you ask for courtesy now? Your prior actions are the very reason why you are receiving none. You hide behind the posts you made in this thread here and try to act justified, but you have no dignity. If you had used even just a little, I and probably most of the other people posting in your thread would not be here arguing with you now. But that is the last thing I will say on this discussion, as it is obvious that you are incorrigible.

 

[musashii89]

It's not assumption, it is what I have seen here. All the information is available here to one who takes enough initiative to look. I say it will amount to nothing, because this same scenario has played out many times on these forums, even in just a short time. When one takes your approach, they rarely receive an answer. Some go on until they get bored, others lose control and end up muted or banned. However, answers are often given to those who use more amicable means, and who ask the right questions, and in the right forums. For example I saw a very similar thread where someone asked about progress in a cordial fashion and they did eventually get a response that they were working on it and were even told of a new hire. General Discussion is not the best place to post if you want a response from TW. Even if you got an answer, it would be something to the tune of "We are working on it" as they have been.

I mean, what do you expect? This sort of thread is typically glazed over... You think you're some golden hero who is going to come in here and cause progress by asking pointed questions and picking fights on a forum? The rate of patches and progress have picked up but its not good enough for you eh? So you come here and cry about it. Don't try to justify it behind some good intention.

Usually I don't post in these. But a lot has been getting done, and honestly TW deserves some credit for their efforts. That is part of the reason, and the other reason is you trolling all over other people's threads and causing problems, harassing people for their opinions, and so on. If all you had done is posted this thread, I would have just let it be. Eh, let him rant, I'd have thought. However, you seem to have absolutely no courtesy for your fellow forum members whatsoever, what threads you drive off course, and who you trample over on your path to nowhere. And yet you ask for courtesy now? Your prior actions are the very reason why you are receiving none. You hide behind the posts you made in this thread here and try to act justified, but you have no dignity. If you had used even just a little, I and probably most of the other people posting in your thread would not be here arguing with you now. But that is the last thing I will say on this discussion, as it is obvious that you are incorrigible.

When one posts here regardless of the post it rarely gets noticed. We speak to the same points I just have a different optimal solution.

Your assuming my intent here is to troll, thus my posts read to you as self aggrandizement. Why do you think I acknowledge my flaws? The rate of patching has not picked up, they have just finished code refactor so they have reverted to actual fixes once more. I feel Ive justified myself from numerous angles, but you continually refrain from acknowledging my questions and arguments as you self righteously have assumed they are self indulgent trolling.

I didn't troll your thread mate, I was debating points people have made, Ive even gone back to answer your OP even as you righteously talk down to everyone. You still have not answered the question.

Now you become the object of your hatred, a troll.

It was just a rant btw mate, but it would be rude not to respond to my own thread. Nice spurious and condescending tirade from you though. More flavor then most trolls. Back to ignore if your gonna be a hypocrite and not even TRY to keep civil and on topic.

 

[Elbromas]

*Civil*
*On topic*

 

[danEN]

Ive heard of selective hearing but your ability to read only arguements you agree with is perplexing.

Sadly the arguments you make are just a mess, while you have some valid points about slow development, your inability to not turn the post into calling people trolls or a rant/attack is why nobody really reads what you say.

 

[WakaWaka]

I can't understand why ppl are so angry, it's EA, if u expect a ready game, without bug, just wait for final release.

 

[MostBlunted]

I just expected a decent form of progress (=more content) but I don´t see it.

 

[musashii89]

Sadly the arguments you make are just a mess, while you have some valid points about slow development, your inability to not turn the post into calling people trolls or a rant/attack is why nobody really reads what you say.

Again with vague accusations pointing to nothing specific. Hypocrite.

Then again perhaps its not reading but comprehension.