Taleworlds: Is this all we can expect?...

[musashii89]

Thanks for keeping the post afloat boys, your contempt keeps it relevant.

If your motive is not to be involved and communicated to about development what is the point of your post? You are asking the developers a question about specific parts of developing the game. I fail to see how this is not you attempting to be involved about finite details.
The developers have literally no reason to answer questions like "are you going to start working faster".

Sadly I think it's a genuine possibility that your only motive behind this thread was seeing "the general patience wearing thin" and attempting to add to that with a thread that has no real substance or intent. It is merely you realising people agreed with you and you wanted people to pat you on the back for your opinion.

But that's just a guess.

Ive heard of selective hearing but your ability to read only arguements you agree with is perplexing.

隐藏: What you ignored

Were not here to guess, were here trying to call out TW employees hoping to invoke some Turkish version of 'pride' in ones work.
'gururlu'?

Yeah. Mexxico needs reinforcements. One guy will not last if he is the sole point of contact/hope and I dont feel its fair to ask that of him. If he doesnt have hiring/decision making abilities then shaming the company is probably our strongest play to make this happen.

Androme you should learn which features are actually in the game before you start worrying about ones that aren't.

Well now I know your a troll, automatically rejected his opinion as false or misinformed without justification.

@musashii89 c'on man, be productive not destructive. Even tho you got some arguments, your rage and attitude only makes your threads empty. People are out there telling you not to rage and you are raging at them. If we all agree on something, devs gonna see it. I don't belive it's possible that TW can track every comment or thread but they'll have to see it if the community settles on the subject. You want to roast TW, fine do it. But not by calling them out. Because i'll be honest, they don't even have to reply to any of us in the first place. There are many cases in which other members of community had been productive on their criticism, join them. Try to aggre ppl on the cases because we're all in the same boat. I'm genuinly bored at bannerlord, i don't even play it anymore but i'm not roasting anyone. Instead i check the forum in daily basis to see if there's anything that i can contribute to. As i said, Solidarity Time is our way out for better bannerlord.

Cmon man look at this realistically not in disney vision like so many here. If they do not tell us their direction how can we even give them suggestions which even fit with their vision? Further, If they are barely able to balance the game with the MOUNTAINS of experience from previous titles, the modder community and the stuff pouring in here, what help does giving more feedback do? None of it has been used. The players gold economy is still a mess, so is faction balance, pathing, besieging, AI command ability....the list goes on.

You have to wonder what really is the impediment to progress? Despite the trollish allegations I'm not after the moon here. A simple time frame estimate of whats underway, which should ALWAYS be used by competent companies to coordinate cohesive effort minimizing overwrites or conflicting code, and an outline of what the end state may encompass to both dispell our f

From my experience watching this game progress, my guess-timate is a cross between lack of management and no extra investment in staff. Your average dev probs wont have such authority. The intent here is twofold:
- To signal that this game is still a POS to those players who are checking
- To signal to stakeholders, that is those who have a vested interest in this game, that the game as it stands, and the progress so far is making them look like incompetent amateurs at best.

Most of you are trolling here, and you justify it simply because you disagree with my approach. Aggression has a purpose, or do you have no military in your country?

Understanding leads to co-operation, misunderstanding leads to opposition.

Lol

The motivation is not important. Your posts show a complete and utter lack of understanding of what is taking place here. But go ahead and keep up with your incessant whining about things that are already being worked on and/or fixed, and continue to rant about a company not doing things that they have done all along. And continue to refuse to listen to the plethora of people that are telling you about your misconception. I guess some people will never learn.

must be why its so inconsequnetial in legal proceedings. Obvious troll is obvious

 

[stevehoos]

From my experience watching this game progress, my guess-timate is a cross between lack of management and no extra investment in staff. Your average dev probs wont have such authority. The intent here is twofold:
- To signal that this game is still a POS to those players who are checking
- To signal to stakeholders, that is those who have a vested interest in this game, that the game as it stands, and the progress so far is making them look like incompetent amateurs at best.

Most of you are trolling here, and you justify it simply because you disagree with my approach. Aggression has a purpose, or do you have no military in your country?

I love this game and the guys working it, but this perfectly describes what is happening.

 

[Bob Gnarly]

We being mostly you and maybe 1 other person talking **** while everyone else puts you back in your places.

Bahaha

 

[Elbromas]

How is this relevant to anything, mushashi has no proof to back up what he's talking about, and 90% of the comments are about how your methods are pure cringe and do nothing, and 90% of the people disagree with you. This thread is pure whining with no source or reason, there is nothing being discussed and it's just conspiracy theories about how Taleworlds isn't working, even though they literally released a video update today on what they're working on. Unless you work in Taleworlds, or spy on them on their working methods in the daily day your threads are pure BS and should be closed immediately for spreading lies.

 

[musashii89]

How is this relevant to anything, mushashi has no proof to back up what he's talking about, and 90% of the comments are about how your methods are pure cringe and do nothing, and 90% of the people disagree with you. This thread is pure whining with no source or reason, there is nothing being discussed and it's just conspiracy theories about how Taleworlds isn't working, even though they literally released a video update today on what they're working on. Unless you work in Taleworlds, or spy on them on their working methods in the daily day your threads are pure BS and should be closed immediately for spreading lies.

Holy **** thats an ironic post

 

[Elbromas]

Holy **** thats an ironic post

Bro you're not posting substantial content, I'm really tired of this crap that clearly went nowhere, read these 5 past pages, literally almost everyone is against your dumb methods, no one care about what you have to say, you're since 578 the worst commenter in these forums

 

[musashii89]

Bro you're not posting substantial content, I'm really tired of this crap that clearly went nowhere, read these 5 past pages, literally almost everyone is against your dumb methods, no one care about what you have to say

Likewise your not making any points. Just here to whinge without pointing at anything specific. Easy way to avoid losing a debate.

隐藏: What you ignored

You lack the required mental faculties for such an assessment.

Your not wrong. I am part of the crowd who consider the minimum viable product they are currently delivering as insufficient. As others have noted, suggestions are given, known solutions are out there from forums, modders and past titles.

This is no longer an indie company producing Armagan's hobby project, however from what little info we have to work on, dev work so far has been incredibly slow, clumsy and disjointed. These terms are relative, you may consider them inaccurate depending on your perception of TW.

Feel free to challenge that with logic or opinion, but I could give a sh*t if I am judged personally for it. We all want a better game, whether you agree with my method i dont care.

Most of you are trolling here, and you justify it simply because you disagree with my approach. Aggression has a purpose, or do you have no military in your country?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Bannerlord 2 when

 

[Elbromas]

Likewise your not making any points. Just here to whinge without pointing at anything specific. Easy way to avoid losing a debate.

Losing what debate??? You're not giving us any substantial proof for your claims.

From my experience watching this game progress, my guess-timate is a cross between lack of management and no extra investment in staff. Your average dev probs wont have such authority. The intent here is twofold:
- To signal that this game is still a POS to those players who are checking
- To signal to stakeholders, that is those who have a vested interest in this game, that the game as it stands, and the progress so far is making them look like incompetent amateurs at best.

Most of you are trolling here, and you justify it simply because you disagree with my approach. Aggression has a purpose, or do you have no military in your country?

This makes absolutely no sense, you have absolutely nothing to back this up, and the argument in the end, oh my God, your intentions are so dumb that do not require a debate, and are neither relevant in these forums.
You're just a conspiranoid, and I'm incredibly surprised how the mods are allowing this dumb thread to be alive, again, check the pages, barely no one agrees with you, and you basically evaded everyone who gave you good arguments, I don't see why I should repeat the same arguments you're clearly avoiding

 

[musashii89]

Losing what debate??? You're not giving us any substantial proof for your claims.

1062.9hrs of gameplay. WBU? Of course there's no proof troll, that's half the point.

But when the whole of your post is a raving personal attack...nice self justification for trolling this thread. But thanks for keeping this post alive.

隐藏: What you ignored

Most of you are trolling here, and you justify it simply because you disagree with my approach. Aggression has a purpose, or do you have no military in your country?

 

[Elbromas]

1062.9hrs of gameplay. WBU? Of course there's no proof troll, that's half the point.

But when the whole of your post is a raving personal attack...nice self justification for trolling this thread. But thanks for keeping this post alive.

This thread is a raving personal attack towards taleworlds mate so check yourself out lmao. And it is, it is against you because you just post useless trash

 

[musashii89]

This thread is a raving personal attack towards taleworlds mate so check yourself out lmao. And it is, it is against you because you just post useless trash

Still no substance, troll confirmed

 

[Elbromas]

Still no substance, troll confirmed

Copying my words don't make your crap more valid mate hahaha, this thread is pure cringe compilation.
Maybe you can give me this info:
How much people work at taleworlds
How much they work
Who invested in this game

 

[musashii89]

Copying my words don't make your crap more valid mate hahaha, this thread is pure cringe compilation.
Maybe you can give me this info:
How much people work at taleworlds
How much they work
Who invested in this game

Avoiding any points Ive made doesnt make yours more valid either. No points made, your not looking for a debate, just trying to look down on others. Shoo

 

[NLCRich]

Lol

must be why its so inconsequnetial in legal proceedings. Obvious troll is obvious

The motivation isn't important if the effect is counter to that motivation. The point is if you are trying to help, you are not doing it. The only motivation that could possibly come to fruition from your posting is one that delays progress. Just like how in diplomacy thread you forced mexxico to say this:

@musashii89 I am trying to be transparent and give you all information. I know this can create problems like this, in past it created, in Warband times I was giving and collecting info at forums too, this always created some minor problems. But even these risks I cannot be non-transparent as characteristic, I like sharing info and collecting info to reach best. I can keep this solution secret and then you never know it and never understand it. It will not effect your gameplay negatively. Lets say its a game rule applied to all kingdoms not only AI. There is nothing special to AI here. If only solution is redesigning map as you suggest it is a huge cycle and need to get approved (probably it will not) then I cant help players. If there is something small I can do which improves your gameplay I am trying to do find and apply them.

By the way we workers at TW did not took your money (we are regular workers like you all, I do not have any share (only a small amount from profit promised to all company)) or be AFK. You can see this game is not like my work its like a hobbie. Regular wage I am getting here is not important number. I am here nearly 24 hours a day (except 6 hour sleep). Thats why soon I will take an unpaid vacation (i used paid one after code refactor thing in July) and will be away for a time because I am spending so much time and actually it is meaningless because life (friends, family) is more important. If you are upset because of something you should make your adress correctly. You can be right about some critisism I have problems here too but I think this post is not right place. I am not the guy that took your money or be AFK after it. If you get angry about something if you think TW is AFK you can make your critisism about this in another post.

Anyway I like to discuss only developments this will be first and last things I wrote out of topic.

All you have done is make people question whether they should be involved with the community at all. I mean you trolled the most productive thread this forum has had in ages. So if your motivation is anything other than to be disruptive and deter good feedback about the game, then you should take a good look in the mirror because that is all you have done. If you wanted to post a thread like this and have people actually listen to you, then you shouldn't have first gone around throwing trash all over people's efforts to improve the game.

 

[froggyluv]

LOL at using the Military and Courts of Law as analogies for a jaded gamer. Dude go find manhood.

 

[musashii89]

The motivation isn't important if the effect is counter to that motivation. The point is if you are trying to help, you are not doing it. The only motivation that could possibly come to fruition from your posting is one that delays progress. Just like how in diplomacy thread you forced mexxico to say this:




All you have done is make people question whether they should be involved with the community at all. I mean you trolled the most productive thread this forum has had in ages. So if your motivation is anything other than to be disruptive and deter good feedback about the game, then you should take a good look in the mirror because that is all you have done. If you wanted to post a thread like this and have people actually listen to you, then you shouldn't have first gone around throwing trash all over people's efforts to improve the game.

Thanks I actually didnt see his reply - trolls be flaming hard.

You view it as trolling because you dont see value in my approach, which is likewise for your arguements here. If you didnt disregard my comments before reading them you'd see Ive expressely said numerous times mexxico is the best example of what TW should be doing. But you are letting your own confirmation bias blind you to any facts that dont align with your theory.

I have actually addressed your point in this very thread - why I feel this is the better approach. While you dont agree with it im not exactly alone.

LOL at using the Military and Courts of Law as analogies for a jaded gamer. Dude go find manhood.

Go enlist.

 

[froggyluv]

Go enlist.

Why? Already worked for Homeland Security - i have no need to enlist at my age. Your points are vapid - go fight something real not your imaginary ideal medieval pc game.

 

[musashii89]

Why? Already worked for Homeland Security - i have no need to enlist at my age. Your points are vapid - go fight something real not your imaginary ideal medieval pc game.

I would say your points are equally insubstantial, but you havent made any.
Suggested enlistment to wipe the disney rose tinted glasses your wearing clear.

 

[NLCRich]

Thanks I actually didnt see his reply - trolls be flaming hard.

You view it as trolling because you dont see value in my approach, which is likewise for your arguements here. If you didnt disregard my comments before reading them you'd see Ive expressely said numerous times mexxico is the best example of what TW should be doing. But you are letting your own confirmation bias blind you to any facts that dont align with your theory.

I have actually addressed your point in this very thread - why I feel this is the better approach. While you dont agree with it im not exactly alone.



Go enlist.

No I read your arguments and then I dismissed them. I dismissed them because if you think aggression is the correct approach, then you're wrong, and people like you have always been wrong, all through the ages. "The answer to fix the problems is to make more problems!!" Exactly what was said in any town before its people perished or moved on because of how unproductive such an attitude is. One cannot build anything with that type of attitude. It just ends up being problems and more problems and nothing gets done.