TaleWorlds, how you succeded to piss off the friendliest community in videogames history?

[hirovard]

lol, he never experienced toxic behaviour from the community? maybe he got lucky and just never touched PW mod xD

 

[Grank]

Actually it's probably more fun and rewarding to drive a garbage truck.

More useful for society too.

 

[Calabanar]

Nothing on these forums is beneficial to society, including your critics of the forumites

 

[Spinozart1]

We all know how they spend their time

At least they know how to chill out

 

[eddiemccandless]

Nothing on these forums is beneficial to society, including your critics of the forumites

隐藏

 

[Mr_Shestak]

I see a lot of people dont think so. Let me explain, why I think M&B Community is one of the best. When I was playing NW in 2013 I havent seen any insult, offensive trolling or angry discussions. All people just had fun with game, admins could ban you, if only you was an *******, even they havent been kicking you if you abused broken fortifications to make sky ladders. In every WB module, try to do stupid funny things during the match and a bunch of people always will follow you.
The only toxicity Ive seen was:
1. On duel WB servers, but I regard this as good "competitive trolling and toxicity"
2. On the BL forum, which is understandable, because TW doesnt really do something with Bannerlord, despite tons of feedback from the community.
Look at the Full Invasion community, do you find them toxic? Or singleplayer one?
I dont think so.

 

[danEN]

I'm not one to talk, given how little I actually engage in the forums, but it's really disheartening to see that in the most recent threads, there's always 4 or 5 that are straight up flaming the devs, instead of providing anything of substance.

Maybe you've missed the 100's possibly 1000's of threads since the beta detailing every single issue with the game in great detail, but to be surprised when people give up on spending hours of their time putting these threads together without any acknowledgement or change is extreme ignorance

 

[Craven4]

Kind of funny how people enter a community at its lowest point and just don't get it.

Think the game or the development decisions that led us here are alright...

 

[black_bulldog]

I'm not one to talk, given how little I actually engage in the forums, but it's really disheartening to see that in the most recent threads, there's always 4 or 5 that are straight up flaming the devs, instead of providing anything of substance.

There's not a lot of positivity when, for a year, you get stymied or ignored by the people supposedly wanting your help.

 

[Xavyn]

Thank you for the free lesson of rhetoric.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you yourself having the same kind of reasoning?
His criticism (of OP's criticism) should be rejected because, by your lesson, you are implying that he doesn't know how to "correclty" make an argument...

Speaking of rhetoric, though you obviously have high writing skills, shall we categorize the above as an example of grandiloquance?
We find a lot of posts that basically say the same thing:
"After seeing all the criticism, I'm kinda agree with both opinions. I'm a new M&B player and actually enjoying the game. But I can't deny that it still lacks in providing its full potential. I can understand the frustration of old players and modding "community". Hopefully TW will be able to provide a polished game."
Coming back to the OP, I guess we can say that you neither need butter, neither want to drink from his skull...

Well I cannot accept your thanks because the lesson was in logic which is the major counterpart to rhetoric when it comes to language. I will take the opportunity to correct you though. My rejection of his argument was because he committed a logical fallacy as I had stated. I fail to see any fallacious reasoning in my post so I cannot agree with we are using the same kind.

I will, however, accept your charge of grandiloquence and admit it would have been the correct adjective to use at the end of my post rather than pedantic. So I thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Antaeus]

When did we vote for @Mr_Shestak to be community leader?

I'm neither pissed off at Taleworlds, nor friendly in the first place.

If anything, all I see is crying. And Taleworlds didn't make anyone cry alone, our own expectations can take a fair chunk of the blame for that.

 

[Xavyn]

If anything, all I see is crying. And Taleworlds didn't make anyone cry alone, our own expectations can take a fair chunk of the blame for that.

This point cannot be overstated. It is both a compliment and curse to developers however.

 

[EmptyPepsiCans]

Kind of funny how people enter a community at its lowest point and just don't get it.

Think the game or the development decisions that led us here are alright...

Maybe. Or maybe we're playing what seems like an pretty good game and we're a little surprised to see torches and pitchforks all over the forum.

Sure, I haven't been playing this particular iteration of the M&B series for long and I just joined this forum last week, but Jesus, get some perspective. A game is a game and a forum is a forum. Once you've seen a few of either you've pretty much got them figured out. There's nothing new or special happening here. Newbies aren't missing a thing.

There's always a vocal minority acting like they've been deeply and personally wronged by the developers, airing their grievances in fits of hysterical melodrama, and insisting that new arrivals lack the experience to truly feel the depths their pain. Every "community" has them.

 

[Craven4]

Maybe. Or maybe we're playing what seems like an pretty good game .

First looks can be deceiving. Things are not always as they seem

 

[Mad Vader]

There's always a vocal minority acting like they've been deeply and personally wronged by the developers, airing their grievances in fits of hysterical melodrama, and insisting that new arrivals lack the experience to truly feel the depths their pain. Every "community" has them.

Maybe every community has parachuting smartasses that tell people to chill without understanding why and how much are they upset. Just so they'll appear smarter and cooler. There's one like that every week, this week it's you.

 

[[Rei]]

Did this statement attack your character on a personal level again @MadVader? Wanna talk about it? ?

 

[Grank]

 

[EmptyPepsiCans]

First looks can be deceiving. Things are not always as they seem

I've got over a hundred hours into the game and I think I paid $30 for it. At the moment I'm taking a break until they fix the horrific menu lag they introduced with 1.5.9, but even if they quit development tomorrow I'd say $30 for a hundred hours of entertainment is a pretty good deal. Plus I can just revert to 1.5.8 and play some more. But they won't quit development tomorrow, and by the time they're done I expect to see a much more polished product. I also expect that 5 years from now I'll still be playing modded Bannerlord. So again, it's a pretty good deal.

So yeah, things are pretty much as they seem. A game developer with a rabid fan base hasn't met their impossible expectations so of course it's being taken as a vicious personal attack. "Failworlds" ruined their lives, the sky is falling, the end is nigh, and anyone who fails to grasp the epic scale of the catastrophe is a parachuting smartass or wide-eyed fanboi or something. Meantime, the filthy casuals are all bemused, wondering what's so horrible about the game they've been enjoying for a couple of months.

This isn't new or different. It happens every time a developer releases a sequel of a popular game.

 

[Craven4]

You can enjoy the game all you want. No one is going to tell you not to. Doesn't make you right or wrong about anything you're saying as it's all a matter of opinion.

Maybe someone who still has a little energy left will come along and write you some paragraphs about why some people on here are the way they are after going through the development, beta, ea. you could also spend time going through some important old threads and witness for yourself the sheer desperation of every person that gave the feedback this game needed to be great.

This isn't new or different. It happens every time a developer releases a sequel of a popular game.

Personally it feels different but that's just me.

 

[[BRE] Roudrac]

If anything, all I see is crying. And Taleworlds didn't make anyone cry alone, our own expectations can take a fair chunk of the blame for that.

True, but ask yourself why did we have those expectations. 1/ Development was 10 years long (I know they restarted a few times but it's not like they were working on other projects at the time) so we expected a decent game. 2/ They hyped it a lot, many features were announced but never implemented.

I don't think people have any expectations left now, but they are just asking for two things : modding for the SP, private servers for the MP. Both have been ignored for a year now. There is not even a commitment from Taleworlds to provide it in the future.