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dijiTurk

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It's good to see new cool parts, contents, current situation. I will keep my eye stay at S&M news/blogs.. Wish all good luck.

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I didn't like repetitive patterns at walls or roofs.

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I didn't like colour harmony.
-scene colours & building colours doesnt fit well at some areas
-some building parts have same color when they are inside or outside
-some sunless building parts are way too dark

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There are some LoD problems imo? Roofs seems bad at distance.

Scene's itself should be much colorful. (expectation from source)
 

灭资兴无

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It's good to see new cool parts, contents, current situation. I will keep my eye stay at S&M news/blogs.. Wish all good luck.

8oVdQ.png

I didn't like repetitive patterns at walls or roofs.

iwYJM.png

AafKx.png

I didn't like colour harmony.
-scene colours & building colours doesnt fit well at some areas
-some building parts have same color when they are inside or outside
-some sunless building parts are way too dark

4WS5E.png

GNh23.png

gKDi6.png

There are some LoD problems imo? Roofs seems bad at distance.

Scene's itself should be much colorful. (expectation from source)
Will you adopt my suggestion that "players are free to build fortifications and engage in positional warfare with the enemy"? This is really important, because if the mod just changes the background and changes from soldiers standing for bow and arrow shooting to soldiers standing for fire and gun shooting, then this mod will be very boring. It needs to add the new play of positional warfare by introducing the function of fortification construction, so that this mod will be interesting.
 

dijiTurk

Sergeant Knight at Arms
WBNWVCM&BWF&S
Will you adopt my suggestion that "players are free to build fortifications and engage in positional warfare with the enemy"? This is really important, because if the mod just changes the background and changes from soldiers standing for bow and arrow shooting to soldiers standing for fire and gun shooting, then this mod will be very boring. It needs to add the new play of positional warfare by introducing the function of fortification construction, so that this mod will be interesting.
Yes, i agree with your suggestion. More functionalities needed to be in unusual mod.
In this case, i gave some suggestions at past. S&M devs already know it. And, they can probably do some better things than i stressed out. However, game's engine needs to be as soft as butter to see that development step from what i see rn. We need to wait & hope fortifications, even more.
 

TFK_Ted

Squire
Latest on-field research into the battle of Wagram for historical battlemaps.

Being close to Vienna on vacation, I used the opportunity to visit the battlefield at Wagram. When it comes to creating historical battle maps, it's all about getting an understanding of topographic details. While online ressources might help, as demonstrated for Hougoumont, being there for real allows one to mindmap the area and see details which cannot be present on any overview map.


Check out this video to get an idea of how and where the battle unfolded:



Wagram and Russbach

I started at Deutsch-Wagram. They have a nice Museum there (http://www.wagram1809.at/index.htm) with really helpful staff who knows about the local area.

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They had some really good maps of the battlefield there, which I will not share for copyright reasons. Taking photographs was allowed, but I forgot to ask whether it was ok to share these maps online.

I then took a stroll through Wagram and headed towards the Russbach, which separated the French and Austrian army and served as defensive position. A very interesting feature of that specific area near the town of Wagram is that the hedges are sunken in, quite contrary to what I would usually expect. It's obvious that this feature strengthens the defensive value of the position.


On the way from Wagram towards the Russbach, facing the French advance.
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A few further metres ahead, a crossing and following fork opens up two (!) ways parallel to the Russbach, which marks another important defensive feature: a second ditch behind the Russbach on the Austrian side! It appears on historical maps, but I was surprised about how deep it actually is. Water is present in some places, but not everywhere. The walls are full of trees and shrubbery, making the area a serious obstacle to any advance.

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About 50 metres ahead from the last picture, looking back towards Wagram (note the sunken hedge on the right side and the churchtower) - [1 on the drawing]
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[2]
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[4,5]
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A panorama at the fork revels an additional advantage (or not so much due to picture quality, but I can guarantee you that it's there): Behind the Russbach on the Austrian side, there is a not very high, but partially steep hill all along today's road parallel to the Russbach. It exists on historical maps too, next to the historical road. The Austrians retreated there after the French broke into Wagram and Markgrafneusiedel.
All in all, the Russbach must have been a superb defensive position, especially with the French being located on open fields without any significant ditches or obstacles that might serve as cover for the advance. That's depicted on historical maps and paintings too.

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Russbach - note the second ditch on the panorama.
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Russbach - view towards Marktgrafneusiedel/French positions
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Russbach - view towards french positions between Raasdorf and Aderklaa
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With these and more impressions of the area around Wagram and the Russbach, I got back into my car and drove through Parbasdorf to Marktgrafneusiedel. All along the way, the hill along the road was there. Couldn't take pictures while driving, but one can see it on google maps streetview:

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Marktgrafneusiedel

At Marktgrafneusiedel, the features of the terrain changed. The hedges there were not sunken in, but plain. In comparison to the Russbach, it's a way better area to attack - which Napoleon did.

Towards the Austrian left flank near Marktgrafneusiedel
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Towards the French far right at Marktgrafneusiedel

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The hedges there really are not that much trouble in comparison to those near Wagram and the Russbach.
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View towards Marktgrafneusiedel from the French right flank.
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View towards the Russbach/Wagram (Russbach = where the trees are) from the French right flank.
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Near the French center, view towards Russbach.
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Raasdorf

I then walked to Raasdorf, where Napoleon had his HQ. The view towards Marktgrafneusiedel and Aderklaa is still great.

Looking from Raasdorf (French HQ) towards Aderklaa and Wagram.
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Understanding terrain

All in all, Wagram is a very interesting example of how terrain can dictate a battle.

The Russbach is a very strong position. Strong enough to force attacks against the towns of Aderklaa, Wagram, and Marktgrafneusiedel instead, which meant marching troops all the way over open fields under barrage. Even details such as ditches in hedges can make a serious difference when it comes to sheltering from fire. On the other hands, open fields allowed the great cavalry action that was seen at Wagram. As in many modern battlefields, the plains are very open today due to modern agriculture. However, at Wagram, these plains were open in 1809 as well.

The carnage left more than 70.000 dead, wounded, or captured, and the fields seen above are still being investigated by archaeologists today.

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Yes, i agree with your suggestion. More functionalities needed to be in unusual mod.
In this case, i gave some suggestions at past. S&M devs already know it. And, they can probably do some better things than i stressed out. However, game's engine needs to be as soft as butter to see that development step from what i see rn. We need to wait & hope fortifications, even more.
Thank you, my friend. If the function of fortification construction and headquarters construction can be realized, this mod will bring a new way to play mount and blade 2, "positional warfare", which is very important. It would be boring if the soldiers on both sides still shoot at each other with muskets on flat land. I need to emphasize again that the fortifications and headquarters must be freely built by the players themselves, rather than automatically painted on the battlefield. Imagine a large traffic trench built by the players themselves. The players can group the troops and deploy tactics according to the location of the traffic trench (the same is true for AI enemies). Both sides use various tactics in the trench, As soon as one side of the army rushed into the enemy trench, it began hand to hand combat. Players can command troops with binoculars in the headquarters, or fight the enemy in the trenches. When the player ordered the whole army to charge, all the soldiers jumped out of the trench and rushed to the enemy's headquarters with the charge number. How magnificent it is! Players will feel a great sense of achievement, and I really hope developers can see my suggestions.
 

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FrenchMonk, Resonant, and JackieFish and more reviewed the recently updated 1.0.2 Video Blog, and 1.0.3 Developer Diary related to the Sword & Musket project. I recommend you to watch.





Bonus: We're not mad at Taleworlds. We just want revolution. Thanks to their efforts, we are showing our efforts. We can do some things with Custom Servers.


Will you take my advice? I mean "positional warfare system". Players and AI enemies are free to build different types of fortifications and headquarters to fight with the positional system. In the battle of defending the city, players can also transform the castle to resist the enemy's attack. Will you adopt these suggestions?
 

Lucon

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Will you take my advice? I mean "positional warfare system". Players and AI enemies are free to build different types of fortifications and headquarters to fight with the positional system. In the battle of defending the city, players can also transform the castle to resist the enemy's attack. Will you adopt these suggestions?

I can't tell you anything definite about this because right now our priorities are different. But we are considering a different engineer/sapper mechanical system. Simple and different. Also, I take note of your advice.
 

灭资兴无

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I can't tell you anything definite about this because right now our priorities are different. But we are considering a different engineer/sapper mechanical system. Simple and different. Also, I take note of your advice.
Thank you. I hope you will adopt my suggestions. Positional warfare and fortification construction system will greatly enrich the playing method of this game. Of course, I mean that fortifications and headquarters are built by players, not automatically generated by the system.
 
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