Suggestions for female armor and troops

[Alan Q Smithee]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

 

[Gordulan]

if it doesn't conflict with the lore, why not make the jatu lead by matriarchs 

 

[littlemikey]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

From what I understand, we've already hit the item cap, so we can't add any more armor. Is there a troop limit as well?

 

[Alan Q Smithee]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

From what I understand, we've already hit the item cap, so we can't add any more armor. Is there a troop limit as well?

Dunno about troop limit. And I bet there are plenty of items that could be taken out and replaced that wouldn't be missed. There are dozens of similar shields and surcoats from the OSP.

 

[Misguided]

if it doesn't conflict with the lore, why not make the jatu lead by matriarchs 

That actually would conflict.  They are called the "Jatu Horselords" for a reason.  Plus, (if you've been paying attention to the rumors... ) you know that the Jatu have a tendency to raid for women to own as concubines.  I don't think that would be happening as much with women at the helm, but you never know.

-Misguided

 

[Deer]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

Battledancers sounds fun, but for the love of god, plz no more bikini armours. That stuff is too silly for PoP, IMO.
Maybe something mail or plate, with leather for increased flexibility.

 

[kekn06ab]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

Battledancers sounds fun, but for the love of god, plz no more bikini armours. That stuff is too silly for PoP, IMO.
Maybe something mail or plate, with leather for increased flexibility.

too silly??? you got to be a girl 

More female armours please, but try to make them as small as possible 

 

[Daviclond]

Why do you believe every faction should have a line of female troops?

also, re: the item limit being maxed... does anyone else think the M&B developers were a bit retarded with respect to this? Having hardcoded limits on things like number of unique troop types you can have in your party (32) or unique items really stifles mods. Given that M&B was pretty much abandoned at 1.11 and intended to be improved with mods from there, it's a rather big flaw

 

[Misguided]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

Battledancers sounds fun, but for the love of god, plz no more bikini armours. That stuff is too silly for PoP, IMO.
Maybe something mail or plate, with leather for increased flexibility.

too silly??? you got to be a girl 

More female armours please, but try to make them as small as possible 

I know you're just having fun, but the previous post is correct.  Bikini armor is too silly for PoP.  If folks want armored lingerie, they may feel free to play World of Warcraft. 

While we don't necessarily do everything historically correct, we try to stick with the way things MIGHT have been.  And if more ladies had been soldiers, they most certainly would NOT have been leaving enticing flashes of flesh sticking out around a chainmail swimsuit.

That's ok for Conan.  But this is Pendor. 

Why do you believe every faction should have a line of female troops?

also, re: the item limit being maxed... does anyone else think the M&B developers were a bit retarded with respect to this? Having hardcoded limits on things like number of unique troop types you can have in your party (32) or unique items really stifles mods. Given that M&B was pretty much abandoned at 1.11 and intended to be improved with mods from there, it's a rather big flaw

Haven't been paying much attention to Warcry, have we?



There is always a limit.  The question to a coder is how big the limit needs to be.  I don't mind the 32 troop limit.  Sure, it gets annoying sometimes, but I also hate having to scroll through tons of stuff in my party.  The item limit of nearly 1000 left a lot of room over the Native item count, and is only now being crowded because we like to stuff things into it.

As to the female troops, this is being done almost exclusively because a member of our outstanding community came forward with some PHENOMENAL female armor meshes, and Alan got inspired!

Now personally, I'm actually pretty happy with Fierdsvain and Adventuring parties having a lock on the female troop types.  They are accounted for in the lore.

D'shar and Jatu should NOT have females in my opinion, as it goes against the lore rather starkly.  For the rest?  Eh.  Don't really care for 'em.

What I DID want Alan to do was introduce more female armors.  But at that point, you need someone to wear them.

What I REALLY REALLY want is a female PENDOR line.  I've been pestering SD for it.  I want a Pendorian upgrade path for peasant women.  It doesn't seem right to say "Your husband is going to be a Pendor troop in my new Pendor army!  But you're stuck being a maiden adventurer... sorry."

-Misguided

 

[Deer]

As I gather examples of female armor (a nice range from plain leather archer garb to more exotic stuff, like Liz Taylor's Cleopatra costume) I'm imagining adding female troops/troop trees to most armies. Archer women for Sarleon, lower level priestesses for the Snake Cult, "battle dancers" for the D'Shar (think armored bellydancers), that sort of thing.

Your thoughts, guys?

Battledancers sounds fun, but for the love of god, plz no more bikini armours. That stuff is too silly for PoP, IMO.
Maybe something mail or plate, with leather for increased flexibility.

too silly??? you got to be a girl 

More female armours please, but try to make them as small as possible 

Nope... dude. Just tired of the clichee.
Btw, if you want half/complete naked ladies, go play the Wedding Dance mod :p

Regarding the theme of how women dress in combat, you should watch "Gamers 2 - Doorkness Rising" (you can find it on youtube).

 

[noosers]

Well, all those wimmin better stay home and produce my precious recruits and leave the field of battle to serious soldiers Why do you think most women aren´t appreciating medieval combat action? Because the only thing they can be is wifes, wenches or whores. WWW

It was worse enough with the gender swap in the Fierdsvain troop tree - no pendorian wimmin! My troop roster is crowded enough as it is.

 

[Alan Q Smithee]

I wouldn't put female troops in every faction, but yeah sprinkling in a few here and there for flavor would be cool. I'm liking my "battle dancer" idea more the more I think of it. Like female assasins. So of course they'll need the sexiest armor.

Also it cracks me up to watch a frail looking chick with a bigass sword cut into some dude. (Some dude like noosers maybe.)

 

[noosers]

Such dreams is the resaon why Manga got invented, Alan

A battle dancer idea sounds nicely enough. And one could use the peasant women tree - they split up in fierdsvain female units and what I refer to as Pendor line. Use the Fierdsvain one and make Alans dream *** true.

 

[SXIII]

And I'll start to play with Fierdsvain troops again 

 

[kekn06ab]

Nope... dude. Just tired of the clichee.
Btw, if you want half/complete naked ladies, go play the Wedding Dance mod :p

Regarding the theme of how women dress in combat, you should watch "Gamers 2 - Doorkness Rising" (you can find it on youtube).

Didn't know it was there... thanks for the tip

But being serious for a minute, though, I think there should be a female only troop tree, starting from from the basic townswomen and dividing into the standard troop types (infantry, archers, knights aso.). And then let that be the ONLY women fighting in Pendor... for let's face it, no kingdom would ever let girls into their armies. Medieval kingdoms have always been male dominated.

 

[SXIII]

You're a bit wrong on this. There is a female troop tree and women did fight in medival armies though there weren't that many.

 

[Pode]

women did fight in medival armies though there weren't that many.

Source?  For one besides Joan of Arc or nobility?  In other words, women in any one army instead of a woman as a form of mascot?  Far as I knew female warriors as a noticable presence were exclusive to the Scythian / Sarmatian / Sauromatae steppe cultures in what's now Ukraine.

 

[NikeBG]

First example that comes to my mind right away - 811, Bulgarian khan Krum calls to arms his Slavic allies, hires Avar mercenaries and arms the women in men's battle-armament. After that they kill the invading Byzantine emperor and make a wine-cup out of his skull, but that's another story. Of course, such cases were rather rare, especially in the later Middle Ages, but they did exist nevertheless...

 

[Misguided]

True, but its no different than the Scythian analogy.  Ok, so their women were so badass that they spawned the myth of the Amazons.  That doesn't mean that "Women fought in armies."

It just means that you didn't f**k with Scythian chicks.

(Did a bit of studying on the Scythian culture and history a few years back. As much as the Greeks let us have, anyway.  Interesting stuff.)

According to the lore, women in combat is rare enough that the Order of the Falcon is rumored to have been disbanded over allowing them in.  That, more than anything else, should maintain that the attitude towards women in combat is probably cool, if not outright hostile, throughout most of Pendor.

The exceptions, of course, are the Fierdsvain, who's women warriors are venerated as near priestesses, and the Adventuresses, who don't give a flying flip what anyone thinks about them.

The main reason I'd like a Pendor arm for the peasant women is the Order of the Falcon.  They let in women in olden times, and I don't see a reason why there shouldn't be an upgrade path for women that would allow them to be inducted into the Falcons, should the player re-found the Order.

But that's just the way I see it.  Others may argue.

-Misguided

 

[Deer]

Many women from the eastern tribes did fight. Why do you think the "Civilised" people like the romans and the greeks was so freaked out about it. According to the greeks a decent woman should almost never leave the house. And the seeing them on the battlefield...

The thought of women beeing inferiour to men comes mainly from the Classic cultures and from the christian tradition (might be the same as christianity was spread out through the roman empire).

But i guess that you are right, about that there were not many female footies.