[Suggestion] No Horses on roofs and walls

[Ancestral]

Hello,

Horse could go on the roofs of the Village.

This ladder allow this :


EDIT : I Add a poll with two choices:
- Horse can't go on roofs, fortress walls,... buildings : This is realistic, more easy for infantry and more difficult for horses (But a ridder can dismount for access to a building). Note that horses are already advantaged on the ground with speed and maneuverability. In my opinion, this also add more tactical interest to different units.
- Horse can go everywhere : Not Realistic, More difficult for infantry and more easy for horse (Can use speed, jump and maneuverability everywhere).

Ps : I change also the subject title ([Bug] Horses on roofs in village map ==> [Suggestion] No Horses on roofs and walls)

 

[Adorno]

Is that a problem? I mean horses have been able to walk on stairs for as long as I can remember (in the game that is).
And it's not exactly an advantage to take a horse on rooftop - it's very difficult to maneuver.

 

[Ancestral]

An horse can't walk on a ladder like this with his clogs:

It is very difficult to climb a stair with a horse.

And, this give an advantage : The possibility to go where it is not possible to go without a horse (Horse jump better that human). Like thatch roofs (Besides, Thatch don't resist at the weight of a horse or an human)

 

[Adorno]

I see your point, it's unrealistic, but I also think it's difficult to change (perhaps why it hasn't been fixed so far).

 

[wanderlust13]

The horses can also get on the roof in the ruins map.  It's definitely a bug that should not be allowed, and no horse that I have ever seen could climb a LADDER.

 

[Ancestral]

I see that horse can also climb one stair of the siege map (at right on the main door if you go in the castle). It is the only stair I see that horse can climb in this map.

 

[Archonsod]

In Village and Siege cavalry can spawn on the rooftop / parapet. Before removing their ability to use staird you'd need to ensure they had some way of getting to the ground. Or not spawning on rooftops in the first place.

Is it just me, or do horses take falling damage from a much lower height than the riders?

 

[Kleidophoros]

Is it just me, or do horses take falling damage from a much lower height than the riders?

also noticed that.

 

[Wu-long]

Is it just me, or do horses take falling damage from a much lower height than the riders?

also noticed that.

its quite good though the horsemen to fast ahaa

 

[Darkness]

It isn't really a bug per-say. It is definitely strange and unrealistic. But would be rather hard to fix. And this game must have some degree of unrealism for gameplay. Weight does not matter on roofs. They cant collapse. But a horseman in a low area place = dead horsey. A horseman on those roofs wont last long, he cant use the horse's benefits (speed and maneuverability) on a roof, so all he is left with is its cons (big size, low acceleration)

Horses going up ladders is a bug and has been reported as that is something they should no way be able to do. lol.

 

[Archonsod]

I'm sure **** Turpin made a rooftop getaway while mounted.

Admittedly, he may have been impersonating Errol Flynn at the time.

 

[Ancestral]

It isn't really a bug per-say. It is definitely strange and unrealistic. But would be rather hard to fix. And this game must have some degree of unrealism for gameplay. Weight does not matter on roofs. They cant collapse. But a horseman in a low area place = dead horsey. A horseman on those roofs wont last long, he cant use the horse's benefits (speed and maneuverability) on a roof, so all he is left with is its cons (big size, low acceleration)

I already see ridders use this very unfairly : Go to roof, jump roofs to roofs with using bow and fall of the roof for killing infantry easily in streets... . With training, it is possible to be very speed and maneuverable on roofs... and is it possible to go on many normally inaccessible roofs.

A horse have disadvantaged and advantages :
Advantage : Very speed, more difficult to hit with bows, easy to kill infantry in streets and plains, horse give trample damages.
Disadvantage : You can't go anywhere.

With the possibility to go on stairs and ladders (I don't speak of usable ladders but others like that on the picture in the 3rd post), this delete the disadvantage (and it is very unrealistic, not just a few degree).

For climb a stair or a ladder to go on the roofs, a horseman should dismount his horse and walk like others. Normally, horse is only usable for the ground, not for roofs and fortresses walls... Is it to easy and unfair for infantry.

Infantry is vulnerable on the ground against horses, horses can't go anywhere. This is realistic an fair for all.

I don't think this is very difficult to fix, many stairs and ladders are already unusable by horse. Why this ladders is different to others ?

 

[glustrod]

With the possibility to go on stairs and ladders (I don't speak of usable ladders but others like that on the picture in the 3rd post)

In village i´ve seen riders go up the usable ladder outside the village left from main gate. It seems only possible if you go backwards, which looks very funny in fact. But this is surely not how it was ment. Instead of riding to the back gate or get the gates open a rider can simply climb up this ladder to get in the village.

 

[Ancestral]

This is a controversial subject, I Add a poll.

 

[Archonsod]

I don't think this is very difficult to fix, many stairs and ladders are already unusable by horse. Why this ladders is different to others ?

Most likely because they wanted to keep the ability of a horse to go down ladders to prevent people becoming stuck (like I said, cavalry can spawn on roofs or on the battlements in siege). Problem is, it seems to check the direction the horse is facing rather than the direction it's moving, so as long as you're facing down the ladder you can use it as normal.

Not sure if it's that big an issue to be honest. Cosmetically it looks dumb, but given the speed horses go when moving backwards it's not like it gives you any great advantage.

 

[Ancestral]

like I said, cavalry can spawn on roofs or on the battlements in siege.

Yes, for fix this properly, the only good solution is that horse can't spawn on roofs/battlements.

 

[Nosfe]

Horses going on roofs and inside buildings does not give the rider any advantage, it's very hard to maneveur horses in restricted places. I think it's fine as it is.

 

[Arjihad]

This was going to be uploaded and posted here 2 days ago, but I forgot about it.

There are multiple ways of getting to the roofs of most buildings on village(the other maps have pretty easy ways of getting on them also), and that video contains just a few. The second clip shows what happens when you mess up while riding your horse on the roof(you will also see horses that seem to be frozen, it means i messed up and got the horse stuck  ). For these particular spots , You would only need to raise a few ledges  , and adjust an awning ( though annoying, it shouldn't be that hard to fix).  I don't think its that useful(while riding the horse), when you jump off a building your horse takes damage(or dies), but it can be used to get archers on those buildings. In that case it would be very annoying fighting an archer who is firing down upon you, and you a lonely infantry man with no way to get to him. Unless your planning on doing that, its to much of a struggle to do . Though I think it is considered a map exploit and should not be used in a competitive environment, well at least the buildings that there are no stairs/ladders/walkways to.