[Suggestion] Horse Archery

[iamrawr]

-1 riding skill (they can easily outmaneuver any rider even on courser. The only chance horseman have is at first encounter when they are both riding in towards the same point. Even with two riders it's pretty hard to be able to kill a horsearcher with thrusting removed).
+1 athletic skill (would be fun to see them more useful when on ground)
for khergit horse archers.

Also, I think it would be awesome to see nord/vaegir horse archers if they find a saddle horse out in the field.
So, +2 or +3 to horse archery for vaegir and nord archer and +1 to riding if that doesn't allow them to ride coursers

 

[Yoshi Murasaki]

No.

 

[PsykoOps]

Didn't they just lose -1 on riding skill? And all the horse choices? Sometimes I think people wont be happy untill they get toy bows and horses

 

[ScientiaExcelsa]

I agree that Khergits need an Athletics skill buff.  A bigger one than you propose.

 

[PsykoOps]

I always play on foot as an archer and don't think it would be necessary. It's their weakness on the field. Their strenght on foot is of course good selection of bows / arrows and the possibility to have a shield which no other archers get.

 

[ScientiaExcelsa]

I always play on foot as an archer and don't think it would be necessary. It's their weakness on the field. Their strenght on foot is of course good selection of bows / arrows and the possibility to have a shield which no other archers get.

Yes, but what of infantry-specific scenarios like Siege?  They have no answer.  Footwork is everything in M&B combat, so cavalry athletics in an infantry melee is instant death.  I maintain that Khergits need better Athletics to make up for their lack of specialized infantry.

 

[iamrawr]

well you mention using a shield so yeah.. i don't think you understand alot

 

[Alhanalem]

is there any way to view your unit's statistics in the game?

 

[Yoshi Murasaki]

is there any way to view your unit's statistics in the game?

With Troop/Battle editor. The same one used for MnB. I don't have a link but check around.

 

[Teala]

No.  Horse archery has all ready been nerfed enough.  Did you take into account that other factions have access to horses that are faster than the steppe horse?  Lancers from other factions can easily take out horse archers now that couching is so easy to do now.

 

[HTAPAWASO]

I always play on foot as an archer and don't think it would be necessary. It's their weakness on the field. Their strenght on foot is of course good selection of bows / arrows and the possibility to have a shield which no other archers get.

Yes, but what of infantry-specific scenarios like Siege?  They have no answer.  Footwork is everything in M&B combat, so cavalry athletics in an infantry melee is instant death.  I maintain that Khergits need better Athletics to make up for their lack of specialized infantry.

Well lancers maybe should have more athletics then.

In an archer melee duel the tradeoff is one has better footwork, one has a shield.
If you're going against an infantry you probably shouldn't expect to win.

 

[iamrawr]

No.  Horse archery has all ready been nerfed enough.  Did you take into account that other factions have access to horses that are faster than the steppe horse?  Lancers from other factions can easily take out horse archers now that couching is so easy to do now.

I don't believe so, I was chasing one this morning and when I was near to him he could just outmaneuver me like crazy or when he stole my courser I was never able to catch up to him and if I did it was a mistake of his and i would only do poke from couch (almost no dmg) and I would be left defenseless.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tlDgAVprN9gx_6WfOcJk0dA&gid=0

for troop statistics, check this one out. I don't know how accurate it is. Horse archers have 6 riding while lancers all have 5

 

[Teala]

The only saving grace for being a horse archer is maneuverability, without they are sitting ducks to archers, lancers, everthing.  Their horses suck for speed.  So if you go and nerf that one thing that gives them a fighting chance - you might as well just get rid of them.  So no.  No more nerfs to Khergs.  They have been messed with enough.

 

[Dudro]

Yes to the athletics idea,but no to the riding, and especially no to giving other factions archers more horse archery skill.  That'd be silly.

 

[Yoshi Murasaki]

The only saving grace for being a horse archer is maneuverability, without they are sitting ducks to archers, lancers, everthing.  Their horses suck for speed.  So if you go and nerf that one thing that gives them a fighting chance - you might as well just get rid of them.  So no.  No more nerfs to Khergs.  They have been messed with enough.

He never played horse archer cmon it' so obvious.

And HA stole his courser LOL so they should be nerfed?


It's VERY difficult to maneuver as a horse archer nowdays. You need to hit a lancer like.. what, 3x? Precise hit. And with a lance he just touches you and you're dead. One mistake, and you're dead. I don't know how lancing is with new patch but before it was like that. 1 on 1? Ok, as HA I might kill you. But MnB isn't supposed to be balanced for 1 on 1. 5 lancers vs 5 HA and I'd bet on lancers.

 

[iamrawr]

The only saving grace for being a horse archer is maneuverability, without they are sitting ducks to archers, lancers, everthing.  Their horses suck for speed.  So if you go and nerf that one thing that gives them a fighting chance - you might as well just get rid of them.  So no.  No more nerfs to Khergs.  They have been messed with enough.

He never played horse archer cmon it' so obvious.

And HA stole his courser LOL so they should be nerfed?


It's VERY difficult to maneuver as a horse archer nowdays. You need to hit a lancer like.. what, 3x? Precise hit. And with a lance he just touches you and you're dead. One mistake, and you're dead. I don't know how lancing is with new patch but before it was like that. 1 on 1? Ok, as HA I might kill you. But MnB isn't supposed to be balanced for 1 on 1. 5 lancers vs 5 HA and I'd bet on lancers.

2-4 arrows, now it's couch only thrusting isn't reliable enough. Depending on terrain lancers or ha might win

 

[Kapt Torbjorn]

No.  Horse archery has all ready been nerfed enough.  Did you take into account that other factions have access to horses that are faster than the steppe horse?  Lancers from other factions can easily take out horse archers now that couching is so easy to do now.

I don't believe so, I was chasing one this morning and when I was near to him he could just outmaneuver me like crazy or when he stole my courser I was never able to catch up to him and if I did it was a mistake of his and i would only do poke from couch (almost no dmg) and I would be left defenseless.

That was me.