[Suggestion] Give a bow upgrade back to the Nords. Longbow, maybe?

[Darkness]

I personally dont agree. The factions are balanced as a faction. Each class may not be balanced of each faction with every other factions similar class. Basically meaning a nord archer is not equivalent to a vaegir archer. Why? it would destroy their uniqueness if they were. Give everyone exactly the same gear, you just have red vs blue. What fun is that.

The nord archers arent supposed to be as good. The nords are a melee strong faction, thus they dont need a good bow. And it makes sense that you've killed more with a melee weapon than the bow. Its what they are good at

I personally usually choose the weakest bow no matter what class I choose. 4 damage points separate the warbow and the starter bow. But like 10 or 12 speed points separate them. I prefer the super fast firing speed over the couple of damage points. Because as an archer, odds are you arent going to get the kill as it is because it generally takes 2 to 3 shots to kill someone anyway. And one melee swing (or two if not on horse). So you are there to assist the team, and not get super high K.

 

[Moss]

Why would it hurt to give them the option of a longbow though? It's not nearly as powerful as other factions best bows and a good bit slower, it'll hardly put them on an equal setting. It just gives them more options, so the players have a choice to trade some of that speed for a little more power and range if they want to.

 

[Wonderboy2402]

I support a strong bow upgrade for the archer.

I have stun locked melee alot of times, which any archer class is capable of.  While I agree the nords are a strong melee faction, the fact is that even playing a "skilled" class like the Nord archer is silly... I regularly shoot xbowmen 3+ times in their cloth armor and they do not die.  Shooting horse takes 3x as long as a single thrown axe.  And when a horsemen does decide to kite at range, you still are looking at 5+ shots before you could drop a horseman.  I really like the hulscars from the vanialla game, which there excellent longbows and melee abilities.

The archer needs a few more upgrades too. If you win 2 games in a row, you are already fully "geared up" and end up with like 8000+ gold just sitting there since there are no remarkable upgrades for the archer class.

 

[Berserker Pride]

I personally dont agree. The factions are balanced as a faction. Each class may not be balanced of each faction with every other factions similar class. Basically meaning a nord archer is not equivalent to a vaegir archer. Why? it would destroy their uniqueness if they were. Give everyone exactly the same gear, you just have red vs blue. What fun is that.

The nord archers arent supposed to be as good. The nords are a melee strong faction, thus they dont need a good bow. And it makes sense that you've killed more with a melee weapon than the bow. Its what they are good at

I personally usually choose the weakest bow no matter what class I choose. 4 damage points separate the warbow and the starter bow. But like 10 or 12 speed points separate them. I prefer the super fast firing speed over the couple of damage points. Because as an archer, odds are you arent going to get the kill as it is because it generally takes 2 to 3 shots to kill someone anyway. And one melee swing (or two if not on horse). So you are there to assist the team, and not get super high K.

The problem here is that 7 points separate the short bow from the war bow.  And even with the war bow it can still take a few shots to drop someone in armor.  Those are the 7 points that would have got through the armor and done damage.  And remember that pd skill would be applied to those 7 points of damage as well.  Unless I am point blank range against a shortbowman he does an average of 5 points of damage to me in the lamellar vest.  It only costs 1000 too its fairly affordable.  Thats ten shots to kill a man with 50 hitpoints at midrange.  What is the point of this accuracy at range if you can't do damage at range.  At the very least they should have a 21 damage bow instead of the shortbow.  That at least would be guaranteed some consistent damage and would still be very accurate and unique.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

If we had more peasants running around the shortbow might actually be useful.

 

[Orion]

If we had more peasants running around the shortbow might actually be useful.

Everybody wants top-tier armor prices to be normalized around 1,000-1,500 though. Considering in the battle server that you get 1,000 denars across the board just for winning, low armor prices means everyone gets the good ****. However, if only the top two players on each team could get the could stuff, they would be nearly impossible to kill because everyone else would be using the free equipment or just a step up from it.

In the first couple of rounds, the short bow is fine. Nobody has the really good armor yet, so you do decent damage and you've got crazy accuracy. After that, it's insufficient even in the support role. At this point in the game, the other faction is buying strong bows and war bows.

it's kind of sad that you can 'max out' the Nord archer in the very first round with your 1,000 denars. Byrnie, short bow, two stacks of arrows, two-handed axe, skullcap, leather boots.

Bam, you're done. You won't be upgrading your equipment for the rest of the game, and you only spent about 960 denars.

 

[MaHuD]

Maybe not a longbow, but at least another bow option.

Besides, the Nords are very strong, right?
They would tear the short bow apart if they would pull it!
They  need a  stronger bow, but maybe less accuracy with it.

 

[Khalid ibn Walid]

I'm all for this suggestion, if only that it might reduce the number of damned throwing axes. 

 

[RalliX]

I support this so much, I made another thread about the exact same thing, without looking to see if there was already a topic about it.
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Honestly though, the Vaegirs get four different bows, including the Khergit bow. Why do they get the Khergit bow?!
Nord archers atleast deserve two bows, instead of just one crap bow that does nothing.
I recognize that Nords are melee specialty, but I am only asking, for a measly longbow, only 4 damage above the shotbow! (which isn't very realistic)

 

[MaHuD]

I am asking for more range, I dont care about the STR.

 

[Shik]

A longbow would be ideal for the Nord Archers because

a) it'd be fitting - the Native Nord Veteran Archers & Sea Raiders use them
b) it's weaker than the strong bow & war bow, it's far slower, but would still make Nord Archers more effective.
c) Nord Archers need a bow upgrade

 

[Wu-long]

A longbow would be ideal for the Nord Archers because

a) it'd be fitting - the Native Nord Veteran Archers & Sea Raiders use them
b) it's weaker than the strong bow & war bow, it's far slower, but would still make Nord Archers more effective.
c) Nord Archers need a bow upgrade

Agreed 

 

[RalliX]

Come on then, put the longbow in developers. If it has bugs, then fix it. Almost everyone who put a post in this thread said they wanted it in.

 

[Nosfe]

I totally disagree with this idea. Nords already have the upperhand in melee over other factions with their great 1-h swords and 2-h axes and they are deadly in mid-low range with throwing weapons. If you're gonna give them better long range weapons you may as well give them horse archers.

 

[Tibertus]

Nords need the longbow, but they also need to lose their cav unit. I think the three troop types should be nord archer, nord veteran, and nord berserker. nord veteran would have access to shields, one handed weapons and spears, and heavier armor, nord berserker would get the two handed weapons and medium armor.

 

[Lord Mur]

Nords need the longbow, but they also need to lose their cav unit. I think the three troop types should be nord archer, nord veteran, and nord berserker. nord veteran would have access to shields, one handed weapons and spears, and heavier armor, nord berserker would get the two handed weapons and medium armor.

good idea, but unless all players in a team were working together, and well, this would have them open to slaughther at the hands of lancers.

 

[Tibertus]

their cav is **** anyways and are usually pretty easy to ignore unless used by an exceptional player. I'd say giving warspears to the nord veteran is defense enough against enemy cavalry.