ScientiaExcelsa
Master Knight
I do apologize if my debate seems flammatory. It was not intended as such.
[Suggestion] Further Nerfs for Horse Archery
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Master Knight
I don't particularly care for any of the options in the OP, especially some of the more illogical ones (What the hell, Test? Discourage usage of bows on horseback for horse archers?)
Then, seeing how fiery this topic has gotten in the last batch of replies, I'll try to put this topic back on track with a nice on-topic post:
Horse archery has been buffed considerably very recently. Reducing the effects of momentum on arrows by 90% and raising the Horse Archery skill means you now have snipers with high maneuverability and a very low learning curve for what should be the most difficult-to-master role in the game. Increase the momentum factor and lower the horse archery skill a point or two, just to make them inaccurate at a full gallop. I don't want to see horse archers standing still or moving at the same pace as an infantryman just so they can actually hit a target but full-speed, long-range accuracy is horrible. Slow down for across-the-map shots, go full gallop to shoot the horseman right at your six, and slow to a trot for most of your shots.
Then, seeing how fiery this topic has gotten in the last batch of replies, I'll try to put this topic back on track with a nice on-topic post:
Horse archery has been buffed considerably very recently. Reducing the effects of momentum on arrows by 90% and raising the Horse Archery skill means you now have snipers with high maneuverability and a very low learning curve for what should be the most difficult-to-master role in the game. Increase the momentum factor and lower the horse archery skill a point or two, just to make them inaccurate at a full gallop. I don't want to see horse archers standing still or moving at the same pace as an infantryman just so they can actually hit a target but full-speed, long-range accuracy is horrible. Slow down for across-the-map shots, go full gallop to shoot the horseman right at your six, and slow to a trot for most of your shots.
Phallas
Knight
Lets not get hung up on realism.
The current physics system and animations kind of take a dump all over reality .
- Human skeletons
- Center of gravity.
-Momentum
all of these are out of wack
I understand that taleworlds cannot afford the same physics engine that we have become accustomed too.
but constant Nerfs and buffs will only lead too problems down the road.
They need to change things rather then buff or nerf them for instance.
In reality horse archers,
-Shoot while standing up on stirrups,
-shoot between the strides of the horse
-they not do maneuver between shots.
I think if a horse archer has to line up a shot.
Shoot between intervals of maximum accuracy.
And if they have to put them selves at risk in order to get an effective shot, then this will remove the 'annoyance' from them and
let them become just another troop type that can be used without prejudice.
In other words they won't be hated, they will be respected and not seen as cowards and above all they're kills won't be seen as cheap.
The current physics system and animations kind of take a dump all over reality .
- Human skeletons
- Center of gravity.
-Momentum
all of these are out of wack
I understand that taleworlds cannot afford the same physics engine that we have become accustomed too.
but constant Nerfs and buffs will only lead too problems down the road.
They need to change things rather then buff or nerf them for instance.
In reality horse archers,
-Shoot while standing up on stirrups,
-shoot between the strides of the horse
-they not do maneuver between shots.
I think if a horse archer has to line up a shot.
Shoot between intervals of maximum accuracy.
And if they have to put them selves at risk in order to get an effective shot, then this will remove the 'annoyance' from them and
let them become just another troop type that can be used without prejudice.
In other words they won't be hated, they will be respected and not seen as cowards and above all they're kills won't be seen as cheap.
Frankmuddy
Veteran
The only Nerf for horse archery that I would endorse is giving Javelins to Swadia. A reasonably coordinated team can fight Khergits.
Frankmuddy
Veteran
EdwardWellcraft 说:
The only reason medieval armies used archers and infantry is that they couldn't afford more knights.
Yellonet
Sergeant at Arms
No they weren't and nor should they be in the game either. What I'm talking about is to introduce key realistic features to the game that will make players use each troop type in a realistic manner.ScientiaExcelsa 说:
Trying to balance each troop type, so that no troop has any advantage over another is very bad for the game as it is just plain unrealistic. Balance should be perfect at faction level but at troop level there should be distinct advantages and disadvantages to each troop type, just like in reality.
Yellonet
Sergeant at Arms
That might sometimes have been one reason, but not at all the only reason unless the commander was an idiot. Knights cannot attack from range, their horses will need lots of food, and foot soldiers and archers have plenty of advantages over knights, knights are pretty useless against well organized pike men for instance. Archers can easily take down the Knights horses. And while tests have shown that a long bow from an arrow must shot very close to penetrate a knights breast plate, arms and legs would probably be more vulnerable, once the knight is dehorsed, just aim low. The most effective army is the one that excels in combining the advantages of each troop type.Frankmuddy 说:
That, and don't take into account that your lord did not buy your gear. You often entered into a military profession because the lord of the land you lived on wanted soldiers and you looked like you could hold a sword or bow. Then he said "here's a pissant amount of money, go buy your self a weapon and meet me across the way in an hour."
Then you scavenged what you could from the battlefield, maybe got paid by your lord, and bought better equipment.
An intelligent commander knows that a force consisting of only cavalry would be ineffective against a large peasant mob armed with rudimentary pikes and spears unless said mob faltered and fled before the cavalry. The mobs won't always flee, see William Wallace for details.
Then you scavenged what you could from the battlefield, maybe got paid by your lord, and bought better equipment.
An intelligent commander knows that a force consisting of only cavalry would be ineffective against a large peasant mob armed with rudimentary pikes and spears unless said mob faltered and fled before the cavalry. The mobs won't always flee, see William Wallace for details.
ScientiaExcelsa
Master Knight
Cwvym 说:
Good luck, Cwvym.
Why is it only the big issues that can't stay on topic?
