[SUGGESTION] for BOW:Expanded - Lower Zendar Arena (arena mod) renown rewards

[allthesedamnnamesaretaken]

Just a simple suggestion. The arena matches make it insanely easy to gain massive amounts of renown very qucikly. I think you shouldn't be able to get that much renown without having to win actual life or death battles. Shooting xerina in the face shouldn't be worth 5 renown.

 

[Erwin]

Nonsense. How many actual generals do you know? And how many wrestlers? I rest my case. 

 

[Senta]

as with everything that you consider too easy/exploit like, all it takes is for you NOT to do it.

 

[cadaverescu]

there are guys in this forum not using cavalery as it is too easy for them to win a battle.

 

[allthesedamnnamesaretaken]

as with everything that you consider too easy/exploit like, all it takes is for you NOT to do it.

EXCEPT, that I like to play the arena mod events, and I would like to be able to compete and win without earning thousands of renown.

 

[Gilrain]

Nonsense. How many actual generals do you know? And how many wrestlers? I rest my case. 

Actually I know of more generals.  I can probably remember a few wrestlers from the days when it was confused with the World Wildlife fund, but it must be 15 years plus since I watched big fellas dancing with each other.

Just a simple suggestion. The arena matches make it insanely easy to gain massive amounts of renown very qucikly. I think you shouldn't be able to get that much renown without having to win actual life or death battles. Shooting xerina in the face shouldn't be worth 5 renown.

Currently, it is easy to gain renown from the arena.  Historically, 'Arena' style combat had very well known fighters.  Think of the Colosseum, Roman Gladiators were very well known both by the plebs and the Senate (more so the successful ones).

Again, thinking about Tournaments that were held in medieval Europe.  Successful knights at jousts were known throughout Europe, particularly those that toured the various tournaments. 

Where there could be a slight issue is comparing renown gained from other things in the game, such as capturing towns/castles, with what is gained from the arena and then balancing it out a bit.

Cheers

 

[cadaverescu]

i would like the renown for a battle you win and noone sees you to be 0...
it would make more sence this way.
fighting some bandits in the midlle of nowhere should not make you famous since no bandits will live to tell the tale, and no party was in it`s sight radius to see you do it...
also to have it multiplyed when you get seen by a lot of partyes (ex 50 men must see you for 100%,+50% for each hero, and for 300 spectators (ex fighting an outside atacker when sieging a castle) you should get 6 times the normal xp.
You should get the hero bonus even if he is in the party you defeat, (as he gets to live to tell the tale) and the men bonus from the slaves you take or not after the battle.

 

[allthesedamnnamesaretaken]

Currently, it is easy to gain renown from the arena.  Historically, 'Arena' style combat had very well known fighters.  Think of the Colosseum, Roman Gladiators were very well known both by the plebs and the Senate (more so the successful ones).

Again, thinking about Tournaments that were held in medieval Europe.  Successful knights at jousts were known throughout Europe, particularly those that toured the various tournaments. 

Where there could be a slight issue is comparing renown gained from other things in the game, such as capturing towns/castles, with what is gained from the arena and then balancing it out a bit.

Cheers

Yes, the way I see it, the renown you get from battles should be your reputation and experience as a competent field commander, whereas the arena should net you some other sort of reputation for personal combat prowess, but not combat leadership.

It's just the way the renown is used in M&B, that is, increasing your party size, is a measure of your leadership abilities, not personal combat abilities. You may be a one man tank, but that doesn't automatically make you competent to lead large formations in battle, handle logistics, morale and discipline issues, etc. It might inspire SOME people to follow you if you are a famous warrior, but not at the rate that the arena mod dishes out renown. I think all the events should give you 1 or 2 renown, max.

If the AI can be more competent at the joust, then maybe up that to 3. Right now, all they do is put up the shield and never crouch. The arenamod joust in v0.808 mods were a lot more deadly. The AI got a lot more stupid in v.90x