[Suggestion] Draw all two handed swords from the hip

[Night Ninja]

The intent should be fairly obvious from reading the title.

Two handed swords like the ones ingame are still fairly easy to draw from a belt scabbard, compared to drawing them over the shoulder. The latter is also completely ahistorical (not to mention near impossible) and commonly associated with bad fantasy literature.

And if that wasn't enough, it's demonstrably impossible to draw anything like a longsword or war sword over your shoulder unless you have extensible arms.

 

[Arch3r]

The intent should be fairly obvious from reading the title.

Two handed swords like the ones ingame are still fairly easy to draw from a belt scabbard, compared to drawing them over the shoulder. The latter is also completely ahistorical (not to mention near impossible) and commonly associated with bad fantasy literature.

And if that wasn't enough, it's demonstrably impossible to draw anything like a longsword or war sword over your shoulder unless you have extensible arms.

Seeing how all the 2handers are increasing in size, the scabbard would touch the ground when being on the hip. But yes I support this idea, even though drawing from the back doesn't LOOK too bad.

 

[HTAPAWASO]

I wouldn't mind drawing from the back if some weapons (2h sword for example) didn't go right through your flesh from certain angles, and have no visible means of support (glue?).

But drawing from the hip would be a good solution as well.

 

[kingofnoobia]

Free video proof, Ninja : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocQ_DZVAU0&feature=related

Two more video's from the same guy. Both are things that seem to be wrong in MnB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ&feature=related  (about swords usually being drawn from the right hip rather than the left hip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbfuI0PMdA&feature=related  (about the sound swords make upon being drawn)


However, I can't really imagine anyone wearing a Great Sword on his hip either. I just don't know where on your body you would carry that thing.

 

[FrisianDude]

Well, possibly in a scabbard on the back, but it seems to me they'd have drawn it before battle, right? Only to place it back in there quite after all the other buggers are dead.

 

[Merlkir]

However, I can't really imagine anyone wearing a Great Sword on his hip either. I just don't know where on your body you would carry that thing.

You can carry it on a shoulder like you would a polearm, have it on a horse strapped to the saddle, on a wagon...

Anyway, swords on the right hip is a not thing as common as he makes it to be. Very common in antiquity and migration period, but not common at all later. What he talks about cutting reins and bumping into shields is bull, you can draw a sword from the left hip easily with a shield and reins. You just can't be a retard.

 

[Amroth]

Free video proof, Ninja : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocQ_DZVAU0&feature=related

Two more video's from the same guy. Both are things that seem to be wrong in MnB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ&feature=related  (about swords usually being drawn from the right hip rather than the left hip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbfuI0PMdA&feature=related  (about the sound swords make upon being drawn)


However, I can't really imagine anyone wearing a Great Sword on his hip either. I just don't know where on your body you would carry that thing.

Haha, this guy is hilarious.  Informative and funny.

 

[Night Ninja]

Judging from a very similar recreation, the blade length of the great sword ingame would be approximately 46 inches.

I attempted to draw it from the left hip by using a waster as a proxy (it's 48 inches, so I only drew it using the pommel), and I could draw it without much difficulty. My arm is around 27-29 inches long from the the middle knuckle of a clenched fist to my shoulder joint, though measurements are only approximate because of the difficulty in demarcating a clear boundary for the shoulder.

It's really not difficult to draw a sword like that from the hip, though I think most people would prefer to attach the scabbard to a horse instead. It does get awkward if you're moving around in confined spaces, but that's a problem common to all scabbards.

 

[olo]

2handed weapons of that size would indeed be carried on the back, however they were drawn well before the battle was under way. you cannot quickdraw anything from your back at all.

even certain japanese swords were carried on the back due to their length, however these swords usually required a second person to unsheathe them for the owner. you simply cannot effectively draw weapons like this in any efficient manner.

on a seperate issue, most weapon drawing should be much slower across the board. and weapon switching should be 5x slower than it is right now.

 

[Amroth]

It's really not difficult to draw a sword like that from the hip, though I think most people would prefer to attach the scabbard to a horse instead. It does get awkward if you're moving around in confined spaces, but that's a problem common to all scabbards.

I like the idea of attaching the scabbard to the horse.  The only problem is that once you get de-horsed you lose the weapon.  If you dismount intentionally you obviously would attach the scabbard.

 

[PsykoOps]

Free video proof, Ninja : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocQ_DZVAU0&feature=related

Two more video's from the same guy. Both are things that seem to be wrong in MnB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ&feature=related  (about swords usually being drawn from the right hip rather than the left hip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbfuI0PMdA&feature=related  (about the sound swords make upon being drawn)


However, I can't really imagine anyone wearing a Great Sword on his hip either. I just don't know where on your body you would carry that thing.

Wow, that guy needs to be hired as a developer!

 

[Archonsod]

Drawing them from the back looks cooler, and history is gay.

 

[Kazzan]

Drawing them from the back looks cooler, and history is gay.

Archonsod has spoken! Yeah it looks cooler and it's a game so everything doesn't have to be historical.

 

[Night Ninja]

Nobody said that it was a requirement. However, it's daft to ignore existing and documented examples in favour of an ineffective and wholly fabricated trope. Drawing from the back should be left to ****e fantasy novels and crappy movies.

 

[Archonsod]

Yeah, and history should be left to dull old school lessons

 

[ares007]

History is fun! 

We commonly practice drawing the sword at the beginning of our longsword exercises and it is very possible to draw and wear a great/2-handed sword on the hip.

One common misconception about drawing swords that people have is that you draw outward. You are actually supposed to draw it across your body. If you draw it outward, the opponent can actually grab the hilt and steal the sword . If you draw it across your body, you keep the hilt away from the opponent, the blade can provide temporary if weak protection from slashes, and it is very natural to draw it into ochs (one of the four main guards in German swordsmanship. It looks like the thrust ready pose) from which you can thrust, parry, or cut easily.

 

[Dudro]

Free video proof, Ninja : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IocQ_DZVAU0&feature=related

Two more video's from the same guy. Both are things that seem to be wrong in MnB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94c88HfACfQ&feature=related  (about swords usually being drawn from the right hip rather than the left hip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbfuI0PMdA&feature=related  (about the sound swords make upon being drawn)


However, I can't really imagine anyone wearing a Great Sword on his hip either. I just don't know where on your body you would carry that thing.

In his video of drawing swords from the back, you can see he's acting bits.  It's actually easier than what he's showing.

 

[Phallas]

I do not see any significant changes this would make Relating to game play at all, As apart from pleasing a hand full of medieval fanatics.

 

[Night Ninja]

You'd lose the ability to differentiate between a true 2h sword and a bastard sword at range, for one.

Ironically, you're the one who's remarked on how the zoom feature allows people to view the equipment of opposing soldiers and detect incoming projectiles in a highly irregular manner.

 

[ares007]

In his video of drawing swords from the back, you can see he's acting bits.  It's actually easier than what he's showing.

Perhaps, but a great sword or 2-handed sword is straight as well as longer than a katana. It would be even harder to draw than the katana.

I do not see any significant changes this would make Relating to game play at all, As apart from pleasing a hand full of medieval fanatics.

You look cooler wearing a sword on the hip and a dagger than a sword across the back and a dagger which is important to me for SP.

edit: not to mention that it looks ridiculous (I've had friends ridicule this part of M&B) when you've got a sword going through the skin on your back. My friends (who don't know crap about medieval history) say stuff like: "What's holding that sword up? That looks dumb."