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[Tcherski]

I'm not sure  , we can add oval shields, but IMHO the illustrations probably show round shields seen from angles, there probably were some oval shields in use ,  but AFAIK the most Italian museum pieces are standard shape rondache.

Italian harness and rondache from 16th century:

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It was not the 1st time ,already noticed those oval shield ,in late french enluminures some of them have weird "3d" monster faces.
Well few sources I can find instantly :

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Yeah outremer pic is outdated ,shown it just for the shield shape
Zimke if you're interested about sources on "3d" monster face shields I could print stuff.

 

[YourStepDad]

What's this with armor points?

 

[Waldzios]

I didn't wrote that oval shield not existed, I'm aware there is plenty of oval light infantry shields, and oval hand pavises in iconography, although mostly wooden ones  , Zimke wrote about making oval version of metal rondache and I have doubts about that one only , as there is plenty of museum pieces of classical (round) rondaches and not many oval ones.

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[Tcherski]

I didn't wrote that oval shield not existed, I'm aware there is plenty of oval light infantry shields, and oval hand pavises in iconography, although mostly wooden ones  , Zimke wrote about making oval version of metal rondache and I have doubts about that one only, as there is plenty of museum pieces of classical round rondaches and not many oval ones.

Didn't got it ,Forgot I written "metal"  . You're always right Waldzios .

What's this with armor points?

Even if m2tw sucks in terms of accuracy their italian militians rule 

 

[Waldzios]

Of course if you search deep enough, there are some exceptional pieces  :

Pageant shields, the work of Lucio Picinino, Italian, 16th century:

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[Druzhina]

15th Century Burgundian Soldiers in Le Roman d'Alexandre

Sanson of Ailly delivers his message to Nicolas King of Armenia
The death of Nicolas of Armenia
The presents of Darius to Alexander
Siege of Tyre
Battle of the Macedonians against the inhabitants of Gaza
Betis & his army leave Gaza
The reconcilliation between Cassamus of the Laris & Eumenes of Kardia
Alexander at the Temple of Mars, near Ephesus
Fighting before Ephesus
The Macedonians are volunteers to the pits of Ephesus - Gadifer of Lari
Prisoners Porus, Cassiel the Baudrain and Marcian are by Alexander
The death of Philip of Macedonia - Alexander comes to the rescue of Olympias
The army of Pausanias emerging from Aigai - Alexander avenges the death of his father
The oracle of Apollo
Alexander receives the messengers of Darius
The god Ammon comes to visit Alexander in a dream
The Battle of Granicus, the first battle between the Macedonians and Persians
The Bath of Alexander - Alexander's disease - The execution of Parmenio
The Battle of Issus, the second battle between the Macedonians and Persians
The assassination of Darius

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15th Century Burgundian Soldiers in Le Roman d'Alexandre

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15th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

 

[Liamar]

So, hi everyone!

Firstly, I'm new here, so forgive me for doing any and all stupid things that new guys do. (Or don't.)

But how do you like the idea of making the map actually have two contnents, or land masses separated by sea, on of which would host the vanila M&B factions and the other the AoC ones?

 

[Waldzios]

But how do you like the idea of making the map actually have two contnents, or land masses separated by sea, on of which would host the vanila M&B factions and the other the AoC ones?

We are close to beta release and the map part of work is basically finished.
Changing map at this stage and doing massive work of placing centers and spawnpoints, trade routes etc from beginning would be strange at least  .
Adding vanilla factions and equipment, after we spend time removing it would be even stranger  . 

 

[Liamar]

But vanilla factions are still in.
And it was just an idea. Ideas don't need your reality messing with them. 

 

[Waldzios]

But vanilla factions are still in.

Only by name. Old names are used to keep action in Calradia, but factions are totally remade.

 

[Druzhina]

I have made new scans of the illustrations to George Gush's Renaissance Warfare - Airfix Magazine Articles and replaced the old .gifs with .jpgs. The download .zip of all 23 parts is now somewhat larger.
Part 1: Introduction
Part 2: Infantry weapons and organisation
Part 3: infantry missile weapons
Part 4: The artillery
Part 5: Cavalry weapons and organisation
Part 6: Henry VIII's army
Part 7: Irish army of the 16th Century
Part 8: The Universal Soldier
Part 9: Swiss
Part 10: The Turks - Part 1: the Spahis
Part 11: The Turks - Part 2: Janissaries and others
Part 12: The Scots
Part 13: The Polish Army
Part 14: Spanish infantry
Part 15: Spanish Ginetes to Caballos Corazas
Part 16: The French
Part 17: The Imperialists
Part 18: Persians and other easterners
Part 19: The Dutch army
Part 20: The Swedish army
Part 21: The Swedish army (continued)
Part 22: The Muscovites
Part 23: The Muscovites (continued)

These are old and sometimes inaccurate, but, still useful.

Also from George Gush's book are
The Burgundian Army of Charles the Bold
The Italians
Military Orders
The Moghul Empire
The English Civil War

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Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

 

[Zimke Zlovoljni]

Excellent ,thanks!

plus:

by George Gush
FOR THE WARGAMER or the military modeller, the period from the mid-15th to the mid-17th century must be one of the most fascinating, most colourful, most complex and yet most neglected of periods.
    It starts with the Renaissance and the waning of the Middle Ages, and in warfare as in nearly every other sphere, this was an age of change.

 

[Liamar]

But vanilla factions are still in.

Only by name. Old names are used to keep action in Calradia, but factions are totally remade.

Well, yes, it's an Age of Change after all.
I just thought it would be neat, and would fit the Calradian lore better, for example explaining that the Nords are the Vikings raiders that came and settled from the other continent with new factions, which, being on the  other continent wouldn't interfere with Calradian lore belivability.

Since the map is already done (And how well! ) from what I have seen, then it's probably too late now.
Maybe in a version 6.0, or in a submod. 

 

[Shamble]

There's a lot historical Ottoman, Moscow, Balkan etc. items in the mod, so i would like to ask will there be any items or other stuff of Zaporozhian Cossacks?

 

[Waldzios]

There's a lot historical Ottoman, Moscow, Balkan etc. items in the mod, so i would like to ask will there be any items or other stuff of Zaporozhian Cossacks?

We don't have Zaporozhian Cossacks as separate faction. ATM there are few mercenary troops (probably with mini-tree in later releases) and some bandit troops.

About items, there is not much of items that you can call "stuff of Zaporozhian Cossacks", we have some cossack sabers (not sure if already done or still on TODO list ?) and probably some clothes will be add, the rest of equipment is generally borrowed from neighboring factions.

If you have some ideas for equipment, you can post it and we will look into it.

 

[YourStepDad]

So beta is soonish...oh my.

 

[Liamar]

Stepdude, I never once mentioned "native" factions. They are there, they still are called the same and I assume still have he same lore and history.
My suggestion never had anything to do with any vanilla units/troop trees/items.

 

[Waldzios]

I never once mentioned "native" factions. They are there, they still are called the same and I assume still have he same lore and history.
My suggestion never had anything to do with any vanilla units/troop trees/items.

Then I understand "which would host the vanila M&B factions and the other the AoC ones" wrong (I thought you were saying about native and AOCII factions ).
If you were just saying about faction placement then sorry, it have much more sense.

Still it's to late for this, plus there are some strategical flaws. Both old and new factions are based on historical nations (mostly from the same continent), and the in-game placement is slightly similar to 'real' one. IMHO some factions must have 'natural' enemies/neighbors, dividing it by ocean may only kill the fun.

About lore, it's almost 300 years later, so the history and lore had to change with time, the Calradia basically evolved into 'alternative' version of 15/16th century Europe.

 

[Druzhina]

Illustrations from Kitab al-makhzun li arbab al-funun by al-tarabulusi. A manual of military practice and horsemanship, 1578-1579

Featuring:
Incendiary arms and incendiary bombs
Hand-to-hand combat
Horse archery
Archery
Crossbows

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Kitab al-makhzun li arbab al-funun by al-tarabulusi. A manual of military practice and horsemanship, 1578-1579

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16th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

 

[Druzhina]

Kitsab al-makhzun jami` al-funun by ibn akhî hizâm - A Mamluk manual of military practice and horsemanship, Egypt or Syria, 1470

acrobat
hunting
bow shooting
sabre fighting
polite jousting
axe fighting
mounted fighting with sticks
fighting with sticks
lance practice
incendiary weapon
shooting the crossbow
horse fight
crossbow & bow shooting
mounted crossbow & bow shooting

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Kitsab al-makhzun jami` al-funun by ibn akhî hizâm - A Mamluk manual of military practice and horsemanship, Egypt or Syria, 1470

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Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers