Struge. GREAT BALANCE!!!

[vrihedd]

I understand that the Strugi are not Nords. Their infantry should not destroy everyone. I faced a lot of losses in the campaign and decided to test them. (user battle. infantry against infantry. defender. sent all and in attack and in onslaught and simply stood). They couldn't win ANYONE! (okay, let's say). Then they couldn't win ANYONE 40 to 30. and finally they couldn't kill anyone !NOT ONE! against the Imperials. Instantly run away. Well, their infantry might be the weakest in the game for some reason. But NONE! their range 4 infantry is no better than robbers!!!!Their TIR 3 warriors wear sweatshirts! Why not make braided armor like in multiplayer? Their tiny shields no longer protect them from arrows

 

[Punchtown Hero]

I don't understand this post, it sounds like you hate the Sturg and are glad that they (i'm assuming from the content above) got nerfed into the ground?

 

[vrihedd]

I like them. That's why I'm trying to draw attention to this problem. I started playing for them and tried again today( they were updated in 1.1.0). But: 1) I was unpleasantly surprised by the balance ( really, play a custom infantry vs infantry battle with Empire). People in the Steam agreed that they are weak, so this is not only my opinion 2) their visual is lame. ( they're cool on concept art. They are interesting in multiplayer). In the single, their shooting range 3 infantry wears sweatshirts, while everyone has normal armor. They were redone in the update for a reason ( this is good, but not enough)

 

[Punchtown Hero]

Ah well good you don't hate the Sturgians lol, I personally like them. I have mixed results with them in combat though, they make an amazing shield wall to protect your archers for instance but I feel like their fighting prowess is outclassed by a lot of other infantry units in a straight brawl.

 

[Pejot]

Yep since release they were the weakest faction and they are in really bad position on the map. Long border with empire with Battania (totally OP faction) on one end and Khuzaits on the other. So in my campaigns they always disappeared in first 2-3 years. In 1.1 it's slightly better but they are still weak compared to others.

 

[vrihedd]

their Spearman(tier 4) unit only has 20 body armor, the lowest of any faction and factions with at least close to similar armor their units have javelins(Sturgia Spearman does not), Sturgia Spearman also has tier 3 weapons while some other factions have tier 4 weapons while still having the same skills. Not sure how damage/armor is calculated but Sturgia Spearmen have leather armor while most other factions have chainmail or better as their armor type.

Some factions even have 3 times as much body armor ~60 on their teir 4 units.

 

[Punchtown Hero]

The Sturg need a defined strength and it points to their infantry but that is not the case. Unsure if this is an AI issue or if it's gear/stat related.

 

[Androme1]

They're evidently meant to fill the role of "the best infantry faction", so they should simply be given the best infantry, they don't have it right now.

 

[Punchtown Hero]

I want less pointy sticks and MOAR STURGIAN AXES! I've always hated how the ai handles spears in mb, they usually get rekt by anybody using a proper 1h/2h weapon up close

 

[OneEyedGeirtyr]

I personally love Sturgia and have noticed this problem as well. I mean, their cultures passive "power" for lack of a better word, is to run faster in the snow... Near useless if you ask me. Anyways I agree, their units could use an upgrade. And I hope they change their starting cultural skill too.

 

[Sketchyad]

I like Sturgian, but just as you said, they're not strong enough as it's supposed to be strongest infantry in game since they're specialized in melee. I avoid them for now.
Visual armor, they looks suck but not so bad but still.

 

[vrihedd]

there are no HP buffs in warband( there was a separate survivability). therefore, everything is decided by the armor. it does not exist in this case. I have a mixed army. when I look at the losses there is only struge. the only exception is their top infantry (which was changed in update 1.1.0). they're nice guys

 

[vrihedd]

I was ready to accept the fact that for some reason they have the weakest infantry( but not so much that 40 to 30 does not kill a single Imperial). BUT! I remembered conversations with the lords on the quest. they say that the infantry struge the strongest!

 

[vrihedd]

Weapon balance isn't there, either, which also affects their performance.

For some reasons axes often have lower damage than swords with almost twice their reach.

 

[Floyd]

I agree that Sturgians sucks (And they re my favorites).
Im sure they will be buffered at some point to be really the best infantry on game as they re supposed to be.
They re mostly Vikings, they need more axe and shield units than spearmen.

 

[vota dc]

their Spearman(tier 4) unit only has 20 body armor, the lowest of any faction and factions with at least close to similar armor their units have javelins(Sturgia Spearman does not), Sturgia Spearman also has tier 3 weapons while some other factions have tier 4 weapons while still having the same skills. Not sure how damage/armor is calculated but Sturgia Spearmen have leather armor while most other factions have chainmail or better as their armor type.

Some factions even have 3 times as much body armor ~60 on their teir 4 units.

They should give different skill if they want different gear instead of apply generic values equal for each tier. For example a walking armor with 50 skills vs naked warrior with 100 skills.

 

[vrihedd]

even if the warriors fight each other as equals, it does not mean that they are equal. If they are easily killed by archers because of their weak armor, they will be less valuable

 

[High chief Kieran]

even if the warriors fight each other as equals, it does not mean that they are equal. If they are easily killed by archers because of their weak armor, they will be less valuable

this is an ai problem, they would just need to raise their shields and they would be fine

 

[Alenovic]

I've mentioned this from day 1. In custom battle they are the weakest nation.. on every category.

in the campaign they are weak because of the following things:
- weak or wrong skill setup (for example druzhinik got 160 bow skill and 60 polearm.. they dont have bows and polearm is their main weapon....) Ulfhander is 2H main, but got 80 in 2h while they got 130 in pole, which again they dont have. They are a tier 5 unit with no armor but have athletics 130 instead of running OP Fast and attacking fast like crazy they are without doubt the worst tier 5 unit in game. (For comparison battanian Fian got 160 athletics and full armor) IMO the ulfhednar or berzerkers should run crazy fast and attack crazy fast as well. It shouldn't be possible to 1 v1 a berzerker, however in my campaign they get easily mowed down by a tier 2-3 unit as if they are a simple recruit. Also because they have no armor they should make zig zag moves with high run speed to have at least some advantages.

- weak gear Tier 5 units severely outclassed in armor compared to other nations, even the Khuzaits which should IMO be mainly light armor have more heavy armor (and even more heavy infantry) than Sturgia (which is supposed to be main heavy infantry class. (Guess the developers really hate the Sturgians..)
- Compared to Battanians and Khuzaits they got to run long distances to replenish... The Khuzaits which should be nomads (Few cities spread across vast distances) got more total fiefs (49 villages,castles, towns) than the sturgians,, which are a settled nation. And all their villages are tightly packed together. Khuzaits got more fiefs in 65% of the landmass the Sturgians got.
- Horses cost no food and can outrun AI lords in wars, resulting in Khuzaits ganking AI lords with 500 vs 100-150 non stop.
- snow doesn't give attrition to enemies, nor does it slow down units...

All in all the Sturgians are by far the weakest faction in the game.. and only by heavy intervention of the player do they survive more than 2 years ingame.

 

[Aho]

Yep since release they were the weakest faction and they are in really bad position on the map. Long border with empire with Battania (totally OP faction) on one end and Khuzaits on the other. So in my campaigns they always disappeared in first 2-3 years. In 1.1 it's slightly better but they are still weak compared to others.

Sturgia is the new Swadia