Spear Static Damage WIP

[bestmods168]

Static, passive, dynamic, phalanx, spear bracing, spear mod, etc. Call it anything you want it to be. Still WIP.
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[MeleeSlaaneshFnE]

So, now the spears finally has a collision thing and it could deal to the enemy that charging at you, great, good job.

 

[King Yngvar]

Finally a mod to be truly exited about. When can we expect this to be available for download?

 

[khuzaithorde]

Static, passive, dynamic, phalanx, spear bracing, spear mod, etc. Call it anything you want it to be. Still WIP.
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Horses would never charge into long pointy sticks, is it possible to get them to rear up?

Edit: great job, bannerlord needs this badly along with fixing the shieldwall.

 

[barthez4]

Great work!

I'm not sure if it's possible but it seems like something that should have full damage when stationary and low damage (but annoyance) when moving, since you can't really brace yourself.

 

[chiconspiracy]

Great work!

I'm not sure if it's possible but it seems like something that should have full damage when stationary and low damage (but annoyance) when moving, since you can't really brace yourself.

Well... if I'm firmly holding a spear and have it lowered, and you charge into it at speed (even on foot), you're going to be a lot more than "annoyed" at the result.

 

[Terco_Viejo]

You have my attention

 

[Askorti]

Horses would never charge into long pointy sticks, is it possible to get them to rear up?

Edit: great job, bannerlord needs this badly along with fixing the shieldwall.

Warhorses very much would. And did. You just need to train them a lot.

 

[Pejot]

Well... if I'm firmly holding a spear and have it lowered, and you charge into it at speed (even on foot), you're going to be a lot more than "annoyed" at the result.

Spears used against cavalry where always braced with one side on ground. If You just hold a spear braced in your hand and heavily armoured horse with heavily armored riders charges at You, You will **** yourself but won't scratch the rider.
It's not about just bracing it. The weapon must be steadily grounded otherwise a human have not enough mass and power to stop rider or to kill the horse without thrusting the weapon. He will be pushed back along with the spear and probably killed by horse.

 

[bm01]

I'm not an expert but I don't think calvary charged on pike formations (and yes, the other end needs to be stick on the ground). Maybe it happened but probably not often, they'd just go somewhere else. So if pike formations are added, AI also needs to be a bit smarter to avoid them.

 

[chiconspiracy]

Spears used against cavalry where always braced with one side on ground. If You just hold a spear braced in your hand and heavily armoured horse with heavily armored riders charges at You, You will **** yourself but won't scratch the rider.
It's not about just bracing it. The weapon must be steadily grounded otherwise a human have not enough mass and power to stop rider or to kill the horse without thrusting the weapon. He will be pushed back along with the spear and probably killed by horse.

If you stab at the rider (like Caesar's troops did against Pompey's cavlary with the not optimal length pila), you don't need to fix the spear into the ground to have bad things happen to the other guy.

 

[Pejot]

I'm not an expert but I don't think calvary charged on pike formations (and yes, the other end needs to be stick on the ground). Maybe it happened but probably not often, they'd just go somewhere else. So if pike formations are added, AI also needs to be a bit smarter to avoid them.

Horse won't ride into something like this if he see it. No matter what training. That's why the often covered horse eyes when charging pike formations. They also tried to find more space between pikes and ride there just to break the pike formation.
There were some riders that went straight at pikes hoping that only horse will die in the process just to scare the enemy.
This was kind of psychological warfare.

If you stab at the rider (like Caesar's troops did against Pompey's cavlary with the not optimal length pila), you don't need to fix the spear into the ground to have bad things happen to the other guy.

Yes I agree however stabbing the riders charging at You requires skill and battle experience. Romans had regular army and trained soldiers. It wasn't a common thing after fall of the empire.
Most of pike formations (or spear, I'm no expert just interested in warfare) were composed from militia/fyrd. Those weren't perfectly trained soldiers that's why it was easier for them to target the horse and kill rider when he falls off his horse.

 

[chiconspiracy]

Horse won't ride into something like this if he see it. No matter what training. That's why the often covered horse eyes when charging pike formations. They also tried to find more space between pikes and ride there just to break the pike formation.
There were some riders that went straight at pikes hoping that only horse will die in the process just to scare the enemy.
This was kind of psychological warfare.




Yes I agree however stabbing the riders charging at You requires skill and battle experience. Romans had regular army and trained soldiers. It wasn't a common thing after fall of the empire.
Most of pike formations (or spear, I'm no expert just interested in warfare) were composed from militia/fyrd. Those weren't perfectly trained soldiers that's why it was easier for them to target the horse and kill rider when he falls off his horse.

If you're talking about the fall of the Western half (the Eastern half would keep existing for another thousand years), that just isn't true. The medieval (Byzantine) Roman army definitely trained its infantry well, and the military manuals describe well equipped heavy spearmen forming a mobile square with archers and medium troops inside of it. They definitely influenced their adversaries (like the Franks, Arabs, Sassanians, ect) who could produce well trained spearmen of their own.

 

[Pejot]

If you're talking about the fall of the Western half (the Eastern half would keep existing for another thousand years), that just isn't true. The medieval (Byzantine) Roman army definitely trained its infantry well, and the military manuals describe well equipped heavy spearmen forming a mobile square with archers and medium troops inside of it. They definitely influenced their adversaries (like the Franks, Arabs, Sassanians, ect) who could produce well trained spearmen of their own.

I was thinking more about Franks and Saxons at the start of Danes invasions.
They weren't keeping large regular armies and militias had only basic training.
Later on large regular armies also weren't a common thing. They were composed mostly of mercenaries, militias and levies.
I may not however have good enough knowledge and something might have slipped from me so I'm always open to learn new things about the time.

 

[chiconspiracy]

I was thinking more about Franks and Saxons at the start of Danes invasions.
They weren't keeping large regular armies and militias had only basic training.
Later on large regular armies also weren't a common thing. They were composed mostly of mercenaries, militias and levies.
I may not however have good enough knowledge and something might have slipped from me so I'm always open to learn new things about the time.

For kingdoms like the Franks, the army quality could vary wildly depending on the lord leading it. Some took the tactical writings of the Romans and Greeks (including the contemporary "Byzantine" Romans) to heart and drilled their lower social class infantry well. However, it's worth knowing that even in ancient Rome, a General had a lot of leeway in how well and often his troops were trained. It wasn't nearly as centralized as a lot of people imagine it, and someone like Caesar went out of his way to give his troops extra training.

 

[barthez4]

Well... if I'm firmly holding a spear and have it lowered, and you charge into it at speed (even on foot), you're going to be a lot more than "annoyed" at the result.

Holding and bracing and balancing a 10-20 foot spear while moving sideways or backwards in particular, it's not going to be stable, doesn't matter if you're a powerlifter or a malnourished peasant. There's a reason why in combat sports, knockouts when moving backwards are seen as such a high end skill, because it's really difficult to generate power and strength while moving on the back foot. Hence why I think it should do max damage when stationary and considerably less when moving, to account for the huge loss in stability. It'd likely still be enough for unarmored horses but it certainly shouldn't do much against an armored war horse. I doubt we'll see Taleworlds put in AI that makes horses stop on their own.

That being said, I know in Warband there was a mod where you could root a shield into the ground so that you could reload crossbows from behind cover. Perhaps we'll get a mod in Bannerlord where you can brace your spear into the ground.

Other things to consider are that these long weapons should often break under the impact of a 1000+ lb horse. And the person holding it should often get knocked down by the impact as well.

 

[Ichon]

Holding and bracing and balancing a 10-20 foot spear while moving sideways or backwards in particular, it's not going to be stable, doesn't matter if you're a powerlifter or a malnourished peasant. There's a reason why in combat sports, knockouts when moving backwards are seen as such a high end skill, because it's really difficult to generate power and strength while moving on the back foot. Hence why I think it should do max damage when stationary and considerably less when moving, to account for the huge loss in stability. It'd likely still be enough for unarmored horses but it certainly shouldn't do much against an armored war horse. I doubt we'll see Taleworlds put in AI that makes horses stop on their own.

That being said, I know in Warband there was a mod where you could root a shield into the ground so that you could reload crossbows from behind cover. Perhaps we'll get a mod in Bannerlord where you can brace your spear into the ground.

Other things to consider are that these long weapons should often break under the impact of a 1000+ lb horse. And the person holding it should often get knocked down by the impact as well.

This.

 

[AndrewBones]

Looks potentially awesome.

I'd tone down the damage when on the move if possible - 'bracing' a spear in the sense of being stationary it makes sense, but when moving you should either do much less damage, or slightly less damage at the cost of being knocked down for a bit.

 

[chiconspiracy]

Holding and bracing and balancing a 10-20 foot spear while moving sideways or backwards in particular, it's not going to be stable, doesn't matter if you're a powerlifter or a malnourished peasant. There's a reason why in combat sports, knockouts when moving backwards are seen as such a high end skill, because it's really difficult to generate power and strength while moving on the back foot. Hence why I think it should do max damage when stationary and considerably less when moving, to account for the huge loss in stability. It'd likely still be enough for unarmored horses but it certainly shouldn't do much against an armored war horse. I doubt we'll see Taleworlds put in AI that makes horses stop on their own.

That being said, I know in Warband there was a mod where you could root a shield into the ground so that you could reload crossbows from behind cover. Perhaps we'll get a mod in Bannerlord where you can brace your spear into the ground.

Other things to consider are that these long weapons should often break under the impact of a 1000+ lb horse. And the person holding it should often get knocked down by the impact as well.

A looter wearing rags running stomach first onto a sharp spearpoint isn't going to require the spear holder to have a lot of stability... the simple physics of it will mean a spearheard in the gut.

 

[chiconspiracy]

Holding and bracing and balancing a 10-20 foot spear while moving sideways or backwards in particular, it's not going to be stable, doesn't matter if you're a powerlifter or a malnourished peasant. There's a reason why in combat sports, knockouts when moving backwards are seen as such a high end skill, because it's really difficult to generate power and strength while moving on the back foot. Hence why I think it should do max damage when stationary and considerably less when moving, to account for the huge loss in stability. It'd likely still be enough for unarmored horses but it certainly shouldn't do much against an armored war horse. I doubt we'll see Taleworlds put in AI that makes horses stop on their own.

That being said, I know in Warband there was a mod where you could root a shield into the ground so that you could reload crossbows from behind cover. Perhaps we'll get a mod in Bannerlord where you can brace your spear into the ground.

Other things to consider are that these long weapons should often break under the impact of a 1000+ lb horse. And the person holding it should often get knocked down by the impact as well.

Absolutely, a braced spear should break if an armored horse runs into it. But even if that's temporarily impossible, it's a lot better than the current spears that are apparently made of pool noodle foam.