Space Marines v. Space Marines

[Night Ninja]

For some reason Starcraft is more popular than W40K on either ends, so it doesn't matter.

Just look at that OLOLOL STARCRAFT TUTUTUTU!!!!!11oneoneone!shift+one1!shift+one!! hype going on.

Starcraft will beat W40K, no matter what, original or no.

You seem to have exchanged the definitions of 'popular' and 'good' in your dictionary.

Also, when one entire nation has a hard-on for Starcraft, it's no surprise. WH40k existed as for a niche market for a bloody long time, it wasn't exactly something you could get the average idiot on the street to understand in five minutes.

 

[Archonsod]

And yet, in melee combat against the common orc...

Orks are even tougher. But then, they are fungus.

Internet scuttlebutt has it that Starcraft was originally developed from a failed attempt at making a WH40k game. I haven't seen any sources to back this up, but it sounds (vaguely) plausible, and it certainly would explain the startling similarities.

Nope, the license at the time was with Mindscape/EA (Warhammer), and SSI (40K). Dark Omen and Chaos Gate were released the same year.
Blizzard acknowledged that they did 'draw inspiration' from the Warhammer universe for the games. GW's official line is that they believe both games to be sufficiently different that neither infringe on their copyrights. Unofficially, Blizzard and GW have had informal discussions regarding a licensed game at various points, but nothing has come of it so far. No idea how accurate that rumour is though (wouldn't surprise me though, several studio members were pretty big fans of the games).

This whole argument is stupid, because the whole basis for Space Marines is basically "lol let's just make some ultra-uber badass warriors because teenage males like that kind of ****".

Really? I thought it was "Lets do nazi's, in space!"

The only way they could have tried harder to appeal to that demographic is if they stuck some tits on them.

In which case, surely the Sisters of Battle or Slaaneshi forces would be the most popular armies?

Of course Space Marines would win, because their whole identity is practically one big "I win" button. Which is why they are so very, very lame.

Nah, Fluff tends to be written from the perspective of the codex army/newest army/army of the month, and generally annihilating the marines was seen as a way to prove just how dangerous/deadly/effective/slobbery the new kids on the block were. It got so bad in second edition that the joke explanation for the multiplication of Marine codexes (particularly by the time of Codex : Angels of Death) was that it was the only way they could win a game.
It's still true to an extent. To read the codexes, even the Imperial Guard are presented as an unstoppable fighting force, rather than the rather more accurate reality of being ablative tank armour.

Also, when one entire nation has a hard-on for Starcraft, it's no surprise. WH40k existed as for a niche market for a bloody long time, it wasn't exactly something you could get the average idiot on the street to understand in five minutes.

Funnily enough, prior to WoW GW actually had significantly higher revenue than Blizzard. But then, I expect Starcraft would make considerably more money if Blizzard forced you to pay separately for each unit and each side. Though I suppose even Blizzard wouldn't sink to the depths of expecting you to buy the game again just so you could play another side, would they?

 

[Night Ninja]

Funnily enough, prior to WoW GW actually had significantly higher revenue than Blizzard.

Wasn't referring to their revenue, but rather the number of people who bought their products or supported the company. The high price tags attached to a miniature wargame combined with the effort and time needed to prepare them for play tend to put most people off.

But then, I expect Starcraft would make considerably more money if Blizzard forced you to pay separately for each unit and each side. Though I suppose even Blizzard wouldn't sink to the depths of expecting you to buy the game again just so you could play another side, would they?

If it wasn't on a CD, they might be able to pull that off.

I do hope that it's better than the Starcraft (2?) board game though. That one blew diseased donkey dong.

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

On the issue of fluff...I thought the stats on the board game represented "reality" and everything else was just propaganda by their respective sides?

 

[arbites_augmented]

Yes.

 

[An4Sh]

For some reason Starcraft is more popular than W40K on either ends, so it doesn't matter.

Just look at that OLOLOL STARCRAFT TUTUTUTU!!!!!11oneoneone!shift+one1!shift+one!! hype going on.

Starcraft will beat W40K, no matter what, original or no.

Oh wow a south Korean in love with Starcraft, THIS IS SO NOT STEREOTYPICALLY HILARIOUS. : D

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

For some reason Starcraft is more popular than W40K on either ends, so it doesn't matter.

Just look at that OLOLOL STARCRAFT TUTUTUTU!!!!!11oneoneone!shift+one1!shift+one!! hype going on.

Starcraft will beat W40K, no matter what, original or no.

Oh wow a south Korean in love with Starcraft, THIS IS SO NOT STEREOTYPICALLY HILARIOUS. : D

He brings shame upon my countrymen.

 

[Archonsod]

On the issue of fluff...I thought the stats on the board game represented "reality" and everything else was just propaganda by their respective sides?

In so far as how good a side is then yes. However, the average energies being unleashed on the 41st millenium's battlefields are rather excessive.

Wasn't referring to their revenue, but rather the number of people who bought their products or supported the company.

From wiki:
"In 1993, the company sold 20 million miniatures" Starcraft on the other hand : "more than nine million copies sold worldwide as of 21 May 2007"

If it wasn't on a CD, they might be able to pull that off.

Well, given Starcraft 2 is being split into one disk for each race, I suspect they already have

 

[Cloud Breaker]

He brings shame upon my countrymen.

You don't look or behave like a Korean at all. Have you done Army?

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

He brings shame upon my countrymen.

You don't look or behave like a Korean at all. Have you done Army?

Korean-American with American citizenship. Grew up in the States, yet strangely, I still call Koreans my "countrymen" (even though I shouldn't  ).

Edit: And what do you mean by "don't look Korean"?

 

[Cloud Breaker]

You don't. Simply.

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

You don't. Simply.

Well, I was more curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Were you judging by my avatar? Yours looks less Korean and more like vermin.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

You have some sort of this aura that tells me we are not made of the same stuff.

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

You have some sort of this aura that tells me we are not made of the same stuff.

But surely that has nothing to do with what I "look" 

In any case, you're correct in a sense. I pretty much grew up in America, and identify a bit more with western cultural stuff.

But kimchee's still the mother****ing ****.

On topic: does anyone think Terran Marine gauss rifles can penetrate Space Marine power armor? I'm thinking it can after a few bursts, seeing how Ork choppas can apparently crack them open.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

Terran gauss rifles are meant to penetrate starship-grade metal armor. Ceramics won't stand a chance.

 

[QuailLover]

If I recall the Confederate Space Marines, used a form of memory replacement, on their marines, to make them more manageable, so that they wouldn't kill their commanding officers, or go postal?

I read a couple of the Starcraft novels, and a couple of the WH40k novels, and my consensus would be that the 40k one would win.

Even if you had units from all the types of "forces" in the Confederation (air, space, naval, marine, and ect), and pit it against a space marine chapter. I think the 40k guys would still win.

Now the Confederates (or Terran Empire/UED) would put up a decent fight I think, and the 40k Marine would take some losses.

 

[Raz]

Terran gauss rifles are meant to penetrate starship-grade metal armor. Ceramics won't stand a chance.

That' s just bad balance in the Starcraft game and I get the feeling that you're pulling this out of your ass. What we're talking about here is fluff. The fluff in the Wiki tells us, as I've said twice already that the gauss rifles MAY penetrate 2 inches of steel.

 

[Night Ninja]

Not ceramics, ceramite.

It's phlebotinum, so your ***** gauss rifles won't stand a chance.


EDIT: Hmm, 20 million miniatures in a year VS 9 million copies? Even when you account for the boxed sets, that's still a bloody lot.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

Ceramites sound weaker than ceramics too me.

 

[Kobrag]

Just oxydised.