Sovereignity and Kittenhuffer

[Lightrend]

Today,there has been an unfortunate dispute at our clan channel.I wish to warn you about the said players in the title beforehand should you decide to accept them into a clan.Being a muslim and a turk,I was said words which I consider an offence and racism against me.

Kittenhuffer:[23:33] Fun fact; There are more non-arab terrorists than there are arab terrorists.
Kittenhuffer[23:33] we're not talking about arabs we're talking about people who plant bombs
Kittenhuffer[23:33] Which makes him either ignorant or filled with prejudice against arabs.
Kittenhuffer[23:33] I dont think he means to say that all arabs are terrorists
...goes on.[23:33] Oh.
[23:34] Mohammed the milkman, right?
[23:34] I guess he's norweigan.
[23:34] No idea what that is
[23:34] Am I right, am I right?
[23:34] no he isnt norwegian
[23:35] Mohammed the milkman isn't norweigan? Damn.
Lightrend: 01[23:36] Ill be off then.
Lightrend:01[23:36] Take care.
Kittenhuffer:[23:36] Bye, Mohammed.

Kittenhuffer[23:50] There's bad chemistry between me and turkish people for some reason. :<
[23:50] At least on the internet.
Sovereignity[23:50] Stop it with your racist comments, Huffer!
[23:50] Don't say the t-word!

Kittenhuffer[23:51] Did you honestly find that racist?

Kittenhuffer[23:53] It's just pure comedy.
[23:53] I'm so happy I'm here to see this...

Theres a whole 3 pages full of chats about this issue,I cropped these random parts that I consider offensive.I dont think any of you find these comments funny and the association of a muslim with a terrorist.I clearly do not recommend these people to any clan and what they have done today was a great shame.If you think otherwise,please let me know.To me,this is not funny and therefore not a joke.

There has been similar hospitality to Thorfinn,another turk of the ZHG,who was forced to leave due to their unhonourable and racist words.Should you need more evidence I have the full log.You might say that you are overdoing it but try to emphatise with me and think after.

Yours,
Lightrend

 

[PsykoOps]

Why is this on a public forum? We do have an internal site for stuff like this

 

[Orion]

Kittenhuffer:[23:33] Fun fact; There are more non-arab terrorists than there are arab terrorists.
Kittenhuffer[23:33] we're not talking about arabs we're talking about people who plant bombs
Kittenhuffer[23:33] Which makes him either ignorant or filled with prejudice against arabs.
Kittenhuffer[23:33] I dont think he means to say that all arabs are terrorists

Reading that, I fail to see how it's racist.



When he calls you Mohammed, sure, that's off-color. When he gets into the next snippet you quoted, he seems a bit offensive. I dunno, nothing to get all worked up about, but not the best topic of conversation either. All Islamic people aren't terrorists, that's for sure, but every religious group has their share of extremists. The Spanish Inquisition comes to mind when thinking of the Catholics, for instance.

As PsykoOps said though, if you've got an internal site you should resolve this there. In the meantime, look at it this way: When someone mouths off with an ignorant, prejudiced comment associated with your faith or heritage, don't hold it against them but rather against their ignorance. Ignorance can be fixed.

 

[Lightrend]

@Psycho I made this public becouse I dont want any other players to suffer from this should these  players join another clan.Theirpost simply justifies their behaviour againt the turks.

@OrionThis is the second incident happened to another Turk,in the first case which is acessible through our forum I can clearly read the phrase I hate turkish boys and some other major bad words aimed at us.Though this may not be heavy racism I still consider it as an offence and all the chat isnt about these 3 evidences.Thank you for your support though mate.

 

[tmos]

@OrionThis is the second incident happened to another Turk,in the first case which is acessible through our forum I can clearly read the phrase I hate turkish boys and some other major bad words aimed at us.Though this may not be heavy racism I still consider it as an offence and all the chat isnt about these 3 evidences.Thank you for your support though mate.

I'm sorry, but I can't read the phrase "I hate turkish boys" in that mentioned case. But as I do not wish to told 2 debates about this, that's all I'm going to say here, as this is really not the place as it's taken totally out of context.

 

[Kittenhuffer]

Lightrend, I'm sorry, man, but you've really misunderstood me on this one.

Notice how I was talking about a comment a certain member, whose name I won't mention here, posted on the ZHG forum. Here's the quote for you:

IED's are really placed there by mohammed the milkman. that's why it's called Improvised explosive device. [...]

Hence me saying he was ignorant and filled with prejudice against arabs.

I was pissed off at how everyone ignored the, in my opinion, blatant racism in that quote and so I said "Bye, Mohammed" when you wrote that you had to go. I'd have said the same thing to Uriel, Thel and Vermin, had one of them decided to leave the channel before you. I didn't know you were a muslim until I, during that incident, looked it up on your profile page on the ZHG website. It is indeed unfortunate that you found what I said offensive, but I find it rather strange how you didn't take any offense what-so-ever by the quote above that was posted just hours prior to this incident.

If you wouldn't have been so busy calling me and Sovereign (who had absolutely nothing to do with this) "rabble without honor and nobility," whatever that's supposed to mean, maybe you'd have seen that I tried to explain that I have nothing against arabs, in fact, I was defending them against something I perceived as racism.

At any rate, I apologize for offending you, but I still find this whole thing really, really strange.

EDIT: By the way, many quotes from that conversation are wrong, Lightrend. You've put my name in front of things I didn't say.

 

[Lightrend]

This whole thing is not really strange mate.All you have been doing at the IRC was attempting to bully me for the time being.Me being a muslim does not matter on this case.If I was a christian,It wouldnt change the conversation if you would still be talking about muslims.

Sovereign has dissapointed me aswell,jumping in a conversation where he does not truly belong into and has nothing to do with it to your side and start bullying me from that point.Shame of him.

About the quotes you might fix who said what I dont really mind it.This thread is not directed at one specific person.Still on my very second day of the clan getting a reaction like this certainly not nice.The whole thing is not about the 3 citations I posted before.Theres a whole log of pages you two trying to bully and make fun of me.You are defending the arabs by saying "I dont like turks".What a nice defence it is..

As a conclusion,I dont have anything further to discuss or talk with you two.I dont ask for an apology,terms or whatever.I have already got a fix idea about you two and how you are.

 

[Styo]

Ding!

Popcorn ready..

*Sits down and watches the show*

 

[Kittenhuffer]

Very well.

I won't continue this discussion then, mainly because I'm very confused right now and you've left me speechless. Anyway, this is obviously the wrong place, so if you ever find it in your heart to "forgive" me, let me know on IRC.

 

[Lightrend]

Topic locked.