Some opinions about multyplayer

[Boyar]

Well the main problem nobody seems to care about is that in real life you could get pretty tired swinging a two hander constantly (as you do carrying a shield but that's much easier).

In this game you can spam all you want, and I'm not saying it's lame or anything, I admire some player's technique, but not taking fatigue in account is just lame lame lame.

In real life the best technique is usually to tire the attacker while he swings and swings and gets tired and then you strike back, but in M&B that seems to be out of the question.

I also absolutely despise Nord LONG-AXE spamming. The dudes are in heavy chainmail, and swings that heavy bastard as if it was some kind of a light wooden scythe. It's really nerve-racking.

 

[Armie_knock]

Sure, why don't we add fatigue, and after 5, 6 swings we will fight like little babies. Must be really fun with 2,3 minutes 1vs1 fights when the only reason it's so long is because the swings are SO slow so anyone can block them.

 

[ronin44]

Good points you said Boyar.

 

[Golradir]

Well the main problem nobody seems to care about is that in real life you could get pretty tired swinging a two hander constantly (as you do carrying a shield but that's much easier).

In this game you can spam all you want, and I'm not saying it's lame or anything, I admire some player's technique, but not taking fatigue in account is just lame lame lame.

In real life the best technique is usually to tire the attacker while he swings and swings and gets tired and then you strike back, but in M&B that seems to be out of the question.

I also absolutely despise Nord LONG-AXE spamming. The dudes are in heavy chainmail, and swings that heavy bastard as if it was some kind of a light wooden scythe. It's really nerve-racking.

Don't try to compare m&b to real life lol

 

[Fehnor]

You can't compare something with itself, silly.

 

[Mr.X]

So you're  honestly saying that the shields should get prioritized over the complex manual blocking system, feinting, chambering and the focus should be on "left mouse spam" hold right" - repeat till someones shield breaks?
Everyones shields are just fine. Veagirs could need a small buff.

But however, NERFING the 2h speed would be such a joke. Why don't we just use bardisches in dueling.

No, I'm saying you're an idiot.
First off, feinting and chambering exist with a shield.
Second, shields are an important part of the game. Just as important as weapons without shields
Third, I agree nerfing 2h weapon speed in general isn't a good idea.

I happen to think that improving shields would be a good idea.

 

[Armie_knock]

Feinting with a shield don't exist at such a level to be called feinting.
I have NEVER seen ANYONE chamber with a shield. You know why? Because it's useless when you can just hold the right mouse button that makes you invinceble against everything.
Shields are an important part of the game. But they don't need any buff at all. Except the vieagirs, they could be a little bit stronger.
  However decresing the speed of 2h's will make the game even more unballanced. All the factions 2h's except the Swadians are utterly **** and completly useless against someone that is a half-decent blocker. The Nord ones is only good when backstabbing, because they hit so hard, and against shields. The Veagirs and Rhodok 2h's need a speed buff and the Sarranid ones a + 3,4 in damage.It's a joke if i can't 1 shoot someone unarmoured with a side-swing with the 2h. And that happens a lot as Sarranid.

 

[Golradir]

I have NEVER seen ANYONE chamber with a shield.

You ever played battle?

 

[Armie_knock]

I play battles.. - rarely.


It's very few people that actually chambers(except lucky spam chamber) often and on purpose, while using a shield.

And for which reason should i be quiet?

 

[Mr.X]

Feinting with a shield don't exist at such a level to be called feinting.

It's feinting. It's canceling an attack before it goes through and changing the direction.

I have NEVER seen ANYONE chamber with a shield.

I've done it. I've had it done to me. You clearly need to play the game more if you've never seen someone chamber with a shield. That or stop making **** up.

You know why? Because it's useless when you can just hold the right mouse button that makes you invinceble against everything.

Actually, there are certain moments when you can swing through a shield and hit someone even though they're pressing the right mouse button. Funny how I know more about the mechanics of the game than you.
Additionally, blocking a chamber requires the same timing with or without a shield. It seems like less time without a shield because most players dont instinctively hold a block anytime they aren't attacking without a shield. Of course there's the direction to be considered, but thats not a huge difficulty if you can already manual block properly.

Shields are an important part of the game. But they don't need any buff at all. Except the vieagirs, they could be a little bit stronger.

I dont have the stats on me, but sarranid and swadian shields should have similar stats to the vaegir one's.

  However decresing the speed of 2h's will make the game even more unballanced. All the factions 2h's except the Swadians are utterly **** and completly useless against someone that is a half-decent blocker. The Nord ones is only good when backstabbing, because they hit so hard, and against shields. The Veagirs and Rhodok 2h's need a speed buff and the Sarranid ones a + 3,4 in damage.It's a joke if i can't 1 shoot someone unarmoured with a side-swing with the 2h. And that happens a lot as Sarranid.

Right. So, you said Great Swords, and the bastard swords are useless, the long axes and spears can only hit people in the back, awlpikes, bardiches, pikes, war cleavers, and hammers are too slow, and the 2h axe and blunt ballonastick thing doesn't do enough damage (note, sarranids already have the highest base damage 1h iirc)

Ok. So lets speed up hammers and bardiches and pikes, make nord axes crush through blocks so they can attack from the front, and add more damage points to axes that already probably do similar damage to every other 2h (again, no stats on hand right now). Good idea?

 

[Armie_knock]

People rarely do it more than 1 time, it's feinting but..yea.

I should correct me. I HAVE seen people chambering. But it's so rare that it don't matter. I have not been chambered by someone with a shield for at least a half year.

No you can't swing right at the shield. You talk about game mechanics. You should maybe now then that you can hit AROUND shields.
Most people don't bother with chambering while using a shield, because they don't have to. They can survive by pressing the right button.


Sir, are you blind?  Or have my memory failed me?
Because I'm pretty sure that the Greatsword and the Bastard sword is used by the SWADIANS. And I'm pretty sure i said everyones EXCEPT swadias 2h's are ****.

A spear is a polearm, so is the awlpike,pike.

The long axe is impossible to win in 1vs1 fight against a decent fighter with a Great Sword or Even a Bastard sword. Just because they're so slow, the blocks can only be missed if you accidentally miss drag the mouse.

The same goes for the bardisches and the hammers. Against a decent fighter, they are worthless. And so what if they got the best 1h's? This is about 2h's and shields, not which 1h is the best.

Yes, the speed of the Bardisches,axes,hammers should be increased. The axes have the highest damage count in this game. But however the sarranid Axes, got like less than 40 IIRC. And the 2h mace is only good against armoured people that can't block (However, the sarranid axes got a decent speed).

 

[Mr.X]

Again, dont give a **** about your personal experience, chambering and feinting with shields happens all the time. Hop in a populated battle server for a few maps.

Yes, you can hit directly through a shield, when the person is holding down the block button, for a few moments after they've been stunned by a heavier weapon. Dont even attempt to pretend you know more about mechanics than me.

My b about the greatswords. couldn't read the whole line on my phone. The point still stands though.

And furthermore, it's not "impossible" to win with a 2h axe. You're probably just worse than the people you're fighting. A significantly better player can win with any weapon that can block and attack normally.

And this is about weapon balance, not 2handers as a ****ing cRPG class

 

[Armie_knock]

I play at populated servers all the time. For over 1500 hours. And guess what? It don't happen "All the time". It's  very uncommon. Most of the people don't even know how to chamber, and here you come telling me that people chamber with shields all the time?

You can't hit RIGHT thrue a shield if the person is holding up the block. If he however Moves, or holds the attack, gets attacked, tries to kick THEN he can be hurt. However NOT by just getting hit at.



It's not "impossible" But go take a bardische on Nditions and fight good people, not avarge, good, that uses GS/2hsword. We'll see how that works out.

I don't play cRpg, and this is the Native forum, what does cRpg got to do with this?

 

[Armie_knock]

I play on IG and wolfpack all the time. And i don't see people chamber with 1h's. Sure, sometimes, someone does it. But most of the time it will still be a lucky spam-chamber. I havn't meet a single player on these servers that chambers with 1h + shield regulary-

 

[Mr.X]

I play at populated servers all the time. For over 1500 hours. And guess what? It don't happen "All the time". It's  very uncommon. Most of the people don't even know how to chamber, and here you come telling me that people chamber with shields all the time?

You can't hit RIGHT thrue a shield if the person is holding up the block. If he however Moves, or holds the attack, gets attacked, tries to kick THEN he can be hurt. However NOT by just getting hit at.



It's not "impossible" But go take a bardische on Nditions and fight good people, not avarge, good, that uses GS/2hsword. We'll see how that works out.

I don't play cRpg, and this is the Native forum, what does cRpg got to do with this?

Yes, you can hit RIGHT through a shield. Right after it's stunned by a heavy weapon, even when the block's still up.

I could do it in an NA server, not nditions, just for ping issues. But it happens, and it can easily be done if you're a better player. Also, weapons are balanced by how many denars they cost, something thats overlooked in duel mode because the game wasn't designed to be played in a duel scenario.

"most people dont know how to chamber"
So? Most people dont play multiplayer, hate to break it to you. Doesn't change anything. And yes, feinting and chambering while having a shield happens often. At least, when good players are on, which is often.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

Why are you arguing with this bad X?


@Armie_knock
Here's a solution for you, join a clan, go to scrims. Soon you'll learn, or you can continue to spread your misinformation.

 

[Armie_knock]

In that case, maybe you're right, but however you can't hit someone thrue a standing shield, as you first stated.

Of course it can be done, but it's not worth the risk, and most of the people that uses shield uses it because they can't manual block, so don't say it happens "often". When you say "often" it should be like every 15 hits at least.


Feinting with shield happens sometimes, but not chambering. Maybe some good player do it once a round. That's still not often. If he did it on every second victim or something, THEN it would be "often". Not when it's done every 50,100 swings.


RoBo, don't even start. First off, i'm in a clan. I got no idea what "Scrims" is. I do know hwo to chamber and how to fight. But you should read the top of my post.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

First off, i'm in a clan. I got no idea what "Scrims" is.

Then join a competitive clan or atleast one that has matches against another. You have no ****ing clue what you're even talking about, im just trying to help you.

 

[Armie_knock]

I'm in a clan that fights against eachother. I do have a ****ing clue about what I'm talking about. Go spectate a battle or siege server at some random player. And now tell me - how many chambers did you see by someone using a shield?

 

[Golradir]

I'm in a clan that fights against eachother. I do have a ****ing clue about what I'm talking about. Go spectate a battle or siege server at some random player. And now tell me - how many chambers did you see by someone using a shield?

Siege for chambers?
Armie
pls