so nords are very powerful

[Sevrun]

for keeping up those 70 knights I can keep a tight formation of over 100 Huscarl to hammer the heck out of anyone riding at/through them with those vicious axes or thrown weapons which are absolutely devastating (I've eaten enough to know)

Course, I'm also a follower of Sun Tzu's Art of War and know better than to meet heavy Cav on the open plains   Just sayin

 

[Boduar]

The thing is if your a player using huscarls vs mounted AI you will win easily ... if your heavy cav vs huscarl AI you win easily again.  Would be interesting to see single player but well ... not single player and see how it would turn out.  Anyways heavy cavalary get the gold star for destroying AI on hard mode far as I have seen.  At the very least I can take out 2-3x my army size without any losses and fighting 6x my size I will only lose a handful.  At 10x my size it depends on terrain a bit and its usually kinda meh because most of my knights at that point get swamped by infantry or have to go against other knights with 1v1 or worse odds.  So far trying to play another normal mode (difficulty like 110) as huscarl only but so far it feels like im playing on hard mode since I actually am somewhat afraid of going against even sized lord with my makeup being warriors/veterans/few huscarls whereas if I had horsemen + few mamlukes I know it would be an easy cream.

 

[coiotebh]

my swadian cavalry kill em all

 

[Manhattan]

The biggest exaggerators on this forum are Nord and Rhodok players - infantry factions.  Coincidence?

 

[Drekor]

The biggest exaggerators on this forum are Nord and Rhodok players - infantry factions.  Coincidence?

Huscarls at work:

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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o87/Drekor/mb36.jpg

That's on normal damage btw... open field fight vs Khergits.

 

[The exceeding arrow]

The biggest exaggerators on this forum are Nord and Rhodok players - infantry factions.  Coincidence?

Huscarls at work:

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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o87/Drekor/mb36.jpg

That's on normal damage btw... open field fight vs Khergits.

wow nice graphics XD they do kill alot but Nords lord usually dont got many Huscarls

 

[Sevrun]

The biggest exaggerators on this forum are Nord and Rhodok players - infantry factions.  Coincidence?

I don't exaggerate when I say that with just a handful of Huscarl in my 45 man warband I'm perfectly comfortable taking down a Swadian lord sporting 110-120 and coming out the far side with light losses.  His knights really lose interest in getting up close and personal when their horse catches a thrown axe in the face.  In my current game I've got 35 Huscarl guarding a city not because they're weak, but because I want to keep some in reserve for larger battles without every single enemy running away from me.  I don't exaggerate when I say that denar for denar the Huscarl gives me the most bang for my buck.  Although, any unit can rule if you tailor the engagement properly.  It's just up to the general to do his freakin job (that means you)
  You want to know what I don't mess with, it's the Khergit and their bloody mounted archers.  I've never had much success against them regardless of who I play as.  *shrug* just one of those things.

 

[Dyden]

You want to know what I don't mess with, it's the Khergit and their bloody mounted archers.  I've never had much success against them regardless of who I play as.  *shrug* just one of those things.

That's odd, because Khergits haven't really caused a problem for me. The occasional lancer gets a  kill but that's about it.
Have you tried telling your Nords to hold their fire? I've found that by doing this, they're much less vunerable to ranged weapon fire and lowers my losses considerably.
When they advance (or stand around) with those shields up, there's not much that gets past the shields that hurts them.

 

[Bones]

It's those 2 points in Riding skills that make huscarls so unstoppable. 

(I suppose they had to put leftover points somewhere. Dropping those into Ironflesh or PowerThrow would have been luny.)

 

[rooperi]

with warriors and higher you can win fights you really shouldnt

ive done this and won a 90 v 250+

they arent just good for sieging but basically everything lol

Still, full cavalry army is better. 190 mameluks vs 1240 Rhodoks in mountains was pretty easy win. Huscarls are nice to fight with, but with mameluks or knights you win the battles faster (in both real and game time) and survive and win battles the huscarls can't. And get to your destination on the world map way faster.

The edge huscarls have in the sieges isn't worth the disadvantages they have when compared to top cavalry. I field huscarl army now and then, for change of pace, but do most of the fighting with mounted troops.

 

[coiotebh]

i think there are two problems related to this:

1st: AI lords dont concentrate their army in one or two types of units....they come with archers/ infantry / cavalry / crossbowman / bandits recruited ......what make them an easy target for ANY human player that focus his army in some unit....i go with cavalry, and they kill all very fast....some ppl go with heavy infantry, and they do the same...

2nd: Factions units aren´t even near to be balanced.....

these two problems together make the game sooooooooooo easy

 

[Belisarius]

Nords, however, are king supreme at sieges. Second to none!

Second to Rhodoks vs the player I think. Most players will besiege fortresses with a large percentage of top tier units, usually with more armour on them, thus a sharpshooter's bolt is more likely to more damage than a nord's arrow, and a sergeant can hold a wall as well as any huscarl.

 

[sgtsniper]

Nords, however, are king supreme at sieges. Second to none!

Second to Rhodoks vs the player I think. Most players will besiege fortresses with a large percentage of top tier units, usually with more armour on them, thus a sharpshooter's bolt is more likely to more damage than a nord's arrow, and a sergeant can hold a wall as well as any huscarl.

a nord veteran would win 1v1 a sergeant

a nord huscarl would slaughter 1v1 a sergeant

veterans have better stats and skills then a sergeant as it is

 

[Belisarius]

I didn't said the contrary of what you stated, and one cannot oversimplify things. You made no point in stating the obvious.

 

[sgtsniper]

I didn't said the contrary of what you stated, and one cannot oversimplify things. You made no point in stating the obvious.

veteran/huscarl > sergeant

therefor any sergeant cannot hold a wall as well as any huscarl

 

[Hughes]

There's a topic just like this one but saying exactly the opposite.

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,107966.msg2640761.html#msg2640761

 

[Belisarius]

As I said, it depends. I see more than a few huscarls holding a two-handed axe and almost every sergeant with a "door" and tell me: who will hold the wall best if I set a line of ranged units instead of having everyone charging in?

 

[1Stalker1]

I prefer units with horses, better in battlefields. However nurdes are good in sieges.

 

[sgtsniper]

There's a topic just like this one but saying exactly the opposite.

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,107966.msg2640761.html#msg2640761

its a funny topic

they get slaughtered because they dont know how to counter calvery

what it really boils down to is whos fighting who. a smart person will always defeat the ai, regardless if they have infantry or calvery

 

[marauderim]

i think there are two problems related to this:

1st: AI lords dont concentrate their army in one or two types of units....they come with archers/ infantry / cavalry / crossbowman / bandits recruited ......what make them an easy target for ANY human player that focus his army in some unit....i go with cavalry, and they kill all very fast....some ppl go with heavy infantry, and they do the same...

this says everything, you guys are comparing top tier armies against mixed  armies with just a few top tier units....

i myself like both, love to use my 60 knights army in the open, the only way to loose is taking armies so big that we get in the field with only companions and a few knights, and then i keep huscarls garrisoned for sieges

i play with top dificulty

but again, all this is only possible coz the ai dont pack top tier units has we do,  so the real thing is

player > all