so failling to coninve a lord is final eh!

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so currently on my 8th character and because i generally run over the factions fast enough i don't actually need vassals that much i tried getting a few this time and i've run out of lords to try convincing i guess i could axe the clan leaders and start over with their successors? but thats going to take a looooong time may be a less hmmm executional means of getting another try might be good aside from save scumming as it does my head in remembering which save was before which conversasion check
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