Small guide for smokers interested in Vaping.

[Krozzy]

I had a few friends asking me for advice on vaping. These are people that smoke and want to switch to vaping.

This is not a detailed guide on creating clouds, this is meant to people that are strictly interested in using vapor to get nicotine instead of cigarettes.

Keep in mind there is a lot of fear-mongering paid for by tobacco companies. If you do your research and look at your sources, they say that vaping is 98% safer than smoking tobacco.

I am living proof that vaping is much better than smoking. I relapse from time-to-time, and even smoking a few cigarettes on a stressful night leaves me sick for a couple days.

I am not an expert on vaping. I do not want to be an expert on vaping.

Lastly, I wrote this in like 20 minutes. There will be mistakes. Treat it as a work-in-progress.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcS4mOsRBX33pKkiaF3w_JwHKY4Q1dxdP6HSr6_n9yo/pub

 

[Úlfheðinn]

Keep in mind there is a lot of fear-mongering paid for by tobacco companies. If you do your research and look at your sources, they say that vaping is 98% safer than smoking tobacco.

For the record, I think it's pretty wise to recognize that the research on vaping has been extremely limited so far.

Therefore any claim that vaping is better or worse than tobacco smoking, in regards to health, is rather hasty, at least until there's a decent amount of data available.

 

[kurczak]

Nothing makes vagina drier than vaping.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Remember that being safer than something terrible doesn't mean "safe". As Ulf said, the long term effects of vaping are as of yet unknown. And while you're exposed to less toxicants (not toxins, as is commonly said) than when smoking cigarettes, you're still exposed to carcinogens for which there is no safe amount, and are still risking a nicotine addiction which is dangerous in itself.

 

[Krozzy]

Aye, in a perfect world I would not vape or smoke. But I made that mistake 14 years ago. 

It is true that there is no long-term research in the dangers of vaping. But in the last ten years, any reputable doctor will tell you that switching to vaping is extremely wise.
The real danger now is in the flavoring. They have already flagged many flavorings that are dangerous to inhale. But this is still a shadow compared to tobacco use.

Nicotine is a powerful drug. I salute those that have been able to stop. But for millions, stopping nicotine is similar to fasting, after a few days your brain is screaming for nicotine, and it leaves you unable to think. Not to mention headaches, puking, cold sweats, and wanting to murder people.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Careful with that claim, though, that doctors would say switching to vaping is wise. A doctor would probably first advise traditional quitting methods, and then recommend vaping as an alternative with the goal of quitting altogether in the event that traditional methods fail. I doubt it is the opinion of any good doctor, much less a majority of doctors, that maintaining a nicotine habit in any form is wise. Just some are safer to manage than others while trying to quit.

 

[Úlfheðinn]

The issue I have is most doctor's don't do research, so I don't really find it relevant what the majority of them think about vaping (unless they actually have the research to back up their views).

Mag also has a good point, in that most of the recommendations of vaping are probably based on reduction of harm, and again we end up back in this whole "almost anything is safer than smoking" argument (e.g., of course a doctor will suggest you do pretty much anything other than smoke).

Although sure, laymen prediction is that vaping is probably better than smoking, but again, that's a pretty strong claim to make given that research on vaping is still in the very early stages. That being said, I'm not saying you can't recommend switching to vaping, but there's just not anywhere near enough data to claim it's safer at the moment (although who knows in 10 years that might be different).

 

[Harkon Haakonson]

Most doctors don't do research? Most here are academics and simultaneously practice like hell to boot. And from what networking I've done that seems to be the norm with Western European doctors. American plebs?

 

[Úlfheðinn]

Maybe it's an American thing, but it's the same in Sweden, most doctors are medical doctors, which means they don't necessarily do research (although I'm pretty sure they can if they want). At least back in the motherland being a research doctor means you have to go get your PhD (Medical Doctorate =/= PhD) which means another level of study (and publishing papers).

Might just be my limited experience, but I haven't really run into general practitioners that focus on research very often (outside of university hospitals). Although, it would make sense if specialists were more up to date with research or even conducted research, but I figured the unstated "doctors" the OP is talking about would be general practitioners.

 

[crodio]

Nothing makes vagina drier than vaping.

the world doesn't revolve around vaginers. Some of us are more interested in dicks. Does vaping make dicks go soft? If that's the case we should forbid it
Also there's a thread for tobacco which is basically the same **** as vaping right?

 

[Seff]

Aye, in a perfect world I would not vape or smoke. But I made that mistake 14 years ago. 

It is true that there is no long-term research in the dangers of vaping. But in the last ten years, any reputable doctor will tell you that switching to vaping is extremely wise.
The real danger now is in the flavoring. They have already flagged many flavorings that are dangerous to inhale. But this is still a shadow compared to tobacco use.

Nicotine is a powerful drug. I salute those that have been able to stop. But for millions, stopping nicotine is similar to fasting, after a few days your brain is screaming for nicotine, and it leaves you unable to think. Not to mention headaches, puking, cold sweats, and wanting to murder people.

Try stepping down the amount of nicotine gradually until you're vaping without any nicotine added.

 

[Radalan]

I don't really get the whole "quit with vaping" thing. I used to like to smoke and I like vaping even more.
I'm only forced to quit now that the currently existing market has been successfully banned.

Keep in mind there is a lot of fear-mongering paid for by tobacco companies. If you do your research and look at your sources, they say that vaping is 98% safer than smoking tobacco.

For the record, I think it's pretty wise to recognize that the research on vaping has been extremely limited so far.

Therefore any claim that vaping is better or worse than tobacco smoking, in regards to health, is rather hasty, at least until there's a decent amount of data available.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

Extremely limited but not nonexistent.

 

[Úlfheðinn]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

Extremely limited but not nonexistent.

Cool, but that doesn't change any of the problems with claiming something is well-supported when it's just begun to be researched within the last couple of years.

Again, I'm not arguing there hasn't been some evidence that supports the hypothesis that e-cigarettes are healthier than regular cigarettes. However, it's like any research, don't make strong claims unless you have some really solid data in large amounts (ideally using different methodologies and across several studies).

Literally all I'm saying is that don't post stuff like this:

If you do your research and look at your sources, they say that vaping is 98% safer than smoking tobacco.

because you read a couple of studies (not to knock any researchers but you always want to wait and see if patterns are robust), that is exactly how you aren't supposed to use research if you want to be accurate.

 

[Beny]

There's a guy I know (don't want to use the word 'friend', more of a friend of a friend) who whenever he sees a girl coming will whip his vape stick out and aggressively blow the largest vapour cloud he possibly can. 

Nothing makes vagina drier than vaping.

I pray to god that this is universally true.

 

[Temuzu]

>falling for the mouth fedora

Enjoy your popcorn lungs.

 

[Krik]

Everyone should just replace vaping and cigarettes with weed.

#trufax

 

[Swissky]

>falling for the mouth fedora

Enjoy your popcorn lungs.

Everyone should just replace vaping and cigarettes with weed.

#trufax

What would John Wayne say?!

There's a guy I know (don't want to use the word 'friend', more of a friend of a friend) who whenever he sees a girl coming will whip his vape stick out and aggressively blow the largest vapour cloud he possibly can. 

I blow soap bubbles whenever a girl walks by.

 

[Krik]

He'd say "Smoke more pot, pilgrims."

 

[Areze]

I blow spit bubbles whenever a girl walks by.

ftfy

 

[Swissky]

I blow spitballs with notes asking out said girl whenever a girl walks by my desk.

ftfy

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