Single player bots blocking (Multiplayer related!)

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Greedalicious

Grandmaster Knight
WB
But the bots suck? How are players going to learn how to fight properly against other players if they don't fight them at all?
Which game mode (that currently exists) in your mind, and others if they are reading is best for a new player playing MP then?

The point I'm trying to make is if people want to be able to learn how to fight other players, Siege is probably the most forgiving game mode that is available right now for newer players.
If you disagree and indeed think bots are better to practice with then you're in luck, SP has a training ground that you can practice with bots.
The bots suck for veterans, who knows what we're doing. If you bring in a player who hasnt played these types of games before, or games with a much simplified combat system, the bots are fine. I definitly think the AI could use a massive upgrade though.
Check at the Twitch streamers who play singleplayer. Alot of SP veterans get their asses kicked in arena and tournaments, and would be absolutely crushed even on a public TDM server.

What I would do to help new players ease into the game is improve the tutorial, create an option in multiplayer where 1-4 or so players can go in, spawn bots, using multiplayer classes and factions and a menu to change the difficulty of bots as they feel theyre getting the hang of it.
Once the players get a good feel of manual blocking, there should be a new player friendly server, probably TDM where they can fight other players of equal skill, and then get into MMR based Skirmish and fight on a more competitive mode, should they wish to do that.
Obviously the playerbase isnt big enough for this, but it was the first days and weeks of early access release. This should have been put in place already then if they actually wanted to keep their playerbase happy, instead of people queueing against competitive players who literally can play with our eyes closed and win. I played with a friend and I think we had a 90 game winstreak at some point. We didnt hunt the new players, we simply knew what we were doing, and they didnt.

I dont have alot of experience in singleplayer, but from what I felt when I played it, the combat parameters are very different, probably because of the proficiencies. I took a look at multiplayer proficiencies and it looks like the way they enforce the proficiencies might even be different, so it wont be a good way to familiarize the players with multiplayer. Not to mention the weapons will be different.

Basically, the point I'm making is the game is making it impossible for new players to start playing the game, because they're just gonna get crushed and die on repeat for the first 50 hours, maybe sometimes getting a kill. The absolute massive majority of people in the world wont bother learning a game if theyre just gonna get smashed.
And I didnt even mention the toxicity element....
 

Errayn

Knight at Arms
When i was playing warband i practiced a lot, chambering/blocking in practise grounds that it had. It was never intented to do doese things there but it helped a lot for me to learn some basics. Also it was not in vanilla but if we had some veteran bots like this (see the video bellow, a bot that fakes, spams and kicks, we never had those complex ai in warband, neider in bannerlord) Making a map for training is probably better for players new or old. You always need some practise sometimes.

(the mod if you wanted to take a look https://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/mods/6033/?tab=description)

also kicking in warband is harder than bannerlord, think an ai like that in Bannerlord and what it could do.
There is lots of players even in clans that don't play better than this bots and Playing against harder enemys always makes you better. And it is too hard for a new player to learn this game mechanics atm. Swinging 2 handed weapons in tdm or siege will not make a player good.
 

Greedalicious

Grandmaster Knight
WB
When i was playing warband i practiced a lot, chambering/blocking in practise grounds that it had. It was never intented to do doese things there but it helped a lot for me to learn some basics. Also it was not in vanilla but if we had some veteran bots like this (see the video bellow, a bot that fakes, spams and kicks, we never had those complex ai in warband, neider in bannerlord) Making a map for training is probably better for players new or old. You always need some practise sometimes.

(the mod if you wanted to take a look https://www.nexusmods.com/mbwarband/mods/6033/?tab=description)

also kicking in warband is harder than bannerlord, think an ai like that in Bannerlord and what it could do.
There is lots of players even in clans that don't play better than this bots and Playing against harder enemys always makes you better. And it is too hard for a new player to learn this game mechanics atm. Swinging 2 handed weapons in tdm or siege will not make a player good.
Those bots fight better than 90% of players I see on Bannerlord public. Also massive +1 to always needing practise, theres always something to fine tune.

Kicks also felt alot better in warband because of how the mechanic work

Basically +1 to all.
 

Zarthas

Knight
I've just wanted bots to kick for a long time. I wrote some OSP AI Kicking code for Warband mods, and even my janky implementation was enough to be interesting.

I'd absolutely love AIs above a certain skill level to bash, kick, and shieldbash, in addition to blocking/feinting properly it could really throw off the very predictable rhythm when fighting AI.
 
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