Siege troops

[Mama Sumae]

Just one silly little question, how are we supposed win in a siege when you have to fight a constantly reinforced enemy of 350+ troops and you are only reinforced twice?

Are we meant to kill 200 ourselves? Or keep retrieving from battle losing morale and the siege equipment just to receive more arrows, health and reinforcements?

Either way seems awfully unnatural to me.  What are the rest of your troops doing during the siege?  Watching Caldaria got talent?

If the enemy can be reinforced the full amount of its troops why cant I? 



Some other things that piss me off in siege:


Pushed off the ramp or pushed into the enemy by my own troops. I am the commander I should push people around not the other way!!!

Over polite troops that can’t decide who should go first into the ramp.

The damn archers seem to like it down there.



Overall great game but for the love of god fix siege.

 

[shashaveli]

Especially in cities, my girl usually have to cut down 100 people herself, earning the nickname
"100 man layer" That's just how it is - with only 1 ladder?!?

 

[Pii100]

Try taking over the gap after ladder, and tell everyone to follow you. Suddenly the ladder gets really flooded...

My tactics usually involve rushing to push enemy away from the ladder, telling archers to follow me and put them into spot where they can shoot enemy without being sucked to melee combat.

 

[Macsen]

You don't have to take out every single defender in every case: sometimes you manage to overwhelm the walls and will get a "Battle won" message before the next wave of defender reinforcements come in. If you tab out then, rather than fight the reinforcements, the battle goes to another stage. The second stage is fighting in the streets, and comes down to a handful of your troops against a handful of defenders. Kill them all before the next reinforcements spawn, and you get into the final stage, which is with the enemy holed up in the castle. This normally comes down to about you plus a couple of heroes against 5 or 6 defenders in the "Hall".

If you push through this series you can pwn a 500-strong garrison in a single assault, but you have to be fast, and think what weapons you take, because when you go to the street fight and the castle keep you start with your usual weapons.... I usually go in with a bow and three bags of arrows, which is great when it's just one phase on the walls, 80+ potshots, then pick up a melee weapon from the casualties to finish off, but it really sucks to spawn in the keep facing half a dozen Nord huscarls and only your bare hands for melee 

 

[Lightzy]

what I do is get a siege crossbow and a large bag of steel bolts..

then I find a relatively safe spot (usually right under the ladder, or ducking behind the siege tower) and snipe headshots.. 
Then try to find more bolts among the bodies or pick up a bow and some arrows and keep sniping at the walls..
can't really go up and fight the buggers hand to hand because I'm playing on hardest difficulty.. and like 3-4 shots from a khergit lancer can kill me in my fully reinforced top armor so it takes a freakin while cuz i have to be cautious...


the 1 ladder thing is more than a little retarded, but its a holdover from old versions that for some reason they never got around to fixing

generally after the fight is over my guys will have as many or more losses than the enemies, but thats why I got a big group of lords with me

 

[isi]

Just one silly little question, how are we supposed win in a siege when you have to fight a constantly reinforced enemy of 350+ troops and you are only reinforced twice?

Are we meant to kill 200 ourselves? Or keep retrieving from battle losing morale and the siege equipment just to receive more arrows, health and reinforcements?

sure ! that's what i always do 

i go up the lather, wille my archers are down there sniping the walls, and the knight holding shields ... i used to snipe a few guys with a bow, but now, i only carry balanced sword, iron staff and a think/reinforced shield.

the balanced staff (140 reach ) is nice to whack the guys on the wall, although they're sticks are bigger . so, i hit them diagonally.

then i assault the walls single handed, go to the towers and whack the archers, and go to the stairs, and retard they're reinforcements , wile ordering my troops to move on.

by the time they come up, i either have controlled the situation on top, or have been completely overrun by enemies, that loose interest in me, to go block my guys in the ramp, so i go to the walls/ramp section and whack them wile they're busy trying to stop my guys from getting in.

once they rush in in reasonable numbers, the castle is good as ours 

Either way seems awfully unnatural to me.  What are the rest of your troops doing during the siege?  Watching Caldaria got talent?

strainge ... i thought all midle age sieges were like this !? 

If the enemy can be reinforced the full amount of its troops why cant I? 

you got poor logistics !? maybe you try to assault castle guarded with a lot more % of troops than what you have.
the game only allows to spawn a certain number of troops according to each % to a maximum of 30 each round ... ?

Tactics helps a lot too.

Some other things that piss me off in siege:

Pushed off the ramp or pushed into the enemy by my own troops. I am the commander I should push people around not the other way!!!
Over polite troops that can’t decide who should go first into the ramp.
The damn archers seem to like it down there.
Overall great game but for the love of god fix siege.

try to start by telling everybody to hold position, move the ramp, and order you're troops to follow you. it should solve most problems.

you can order infantry to follow you, then order the archers to follow you.

usually, when troops are in an enemies range/sight , they got to obey they're first instinct, fighting the enemies, and when you order something, it get annoying to reply 2 things at same time.

i noticed in the battlefield, when i order my troops to mount, and they see the enemies (0.950) they get divided betwin engaging the enemies, and mount the %$#&%&/ horses .... even if the enemies is a bit far away , and it's really annoying, like you're situation, where they simply don't cooperate in an intelligent way.


my suggestion ? plan the movements before, because you wont be able during the occasion - that's been a universal truth in the battlefield since ages ago.

by the way, i felt betwin a castle wall's gap, and my troops won the combat for me once .. they were elite troops - that helps too, having top troops on the rooster, before going to assault a castle.

 

[Packrat]

Lets be fair, if you want to complain about where the rest of your troops are during a siege, then you should equally be wondering where the other 200+ enemies are and why they do not open the gates then boil out like a tsunami edged with battleaxes and grind you into bloody giblets.

 

[Kraven]

Lets be fair, if you want to complain about where the rest of your troops are during a siege, then you should equally be wondering where the other 200+ enemies are and why they do not open the gates then boil out like a tsunami edged with battleaxes and grind you into bloody giblets.

I think you misunderstood the OP, the complain is about we as attacker only get respawns 2-3 times where the enemies keep getting respawns until they are out of troops.

Per se i can see why it works like that and yet i cant.

how to win? Heavy armored troops with 2 handers or bastard sword/shield and some medium/heavy armored spearmen, Hired Blades filled both roles in 951, not sure in 952 havent gotten to sieging in it yet (Damn DDO for taking all my time), but from what i have heard of the "nerfing" of hired blades they shouldnt be as good at it now but well whatever.
With this setup of troops you usually got 2 lines of troops attacking since the swordsmen (2 handers and 1 hander and shield) seem to push alot more forward than spearmen does, so 2 lines of your men = Faster killing, which means you can easier overwhelm the enemies and stop their reinforcements.

 

[Mama Sumae]

Ok wining is not the problem it’s more the need for the player to kill more than of 200 enemies. What sort of superman is that?

Why shouldn’t i have the full extent of my troops available for reinforcements, the enemy certainly has? After all it’s a siege my troops should be around no?

In my last siege I had way more than 500 troops against 400+ yet I was only reinforced less than 1/3 of my troops and I have 5 tactics. So the real odds of the battle were 150 vs 400 does that seem fair to you?

At the moment it’s impossible to take a more passive role during siege.

 

[Kraven]

Ok wining is not the problem it’s more the need for the player to kill more than of 200 enemies. What sort of superman is that?

Why shouldn’t i have the full extent of my troops available for reinforcements, the enemy certainly has? After all it’s a siege my troops should be around no?

In my last siege I had way more than 500 troops against 400+ yet I was only reinforced less than 1/3 of my troops and I have 5 tactics. So the real odds of the battle were 150 vs 400 does that seem fair to you?

At the moment it’s impossible to take a more passive role during siege.

It is possible to take a passive role in the sieges, just get the right troops, personally i rarely do much more than the initial charge to lessen the burden for my troops to get up the ladder, why is it i stop doing much then? Well my troops seem to handle the rest perfectly fine without me even when outnumbered 1/4 and even without getting reinforcements more than 1 maybe 2 times.