Siege Defense, 750 vs 123 troops is this possible?

[Zhaker]

I tried to help a Nord Castle being overrun by 750 troops, I only have about 60 troops most of them veterans and huscarls with some elite nord archers and a few vaegir snipers atm.

The castle has about 60+ troops available so its about 130 vs 750 troops I need to defense.

My infantry holds off well but after the 3rd incoming enemy wave my infantry troops falter, and here becomes the kicker, because of this, I dont get reinforcements for a long while, I have a few archers here and there and I cant really do anything about this?

 

[raul-1]

i wouldn't like it to be possible
to take 750 on indoors
though maybe it is possible if you retreat each time before the "3rd incoming",
i myself would have given up and take best soldiers from there,

 

[AndreSo]

Probably not impossible. Elite units goes a long way in MBW and even more so in siege defense. Depends on their amount of archers I'd say.

And of course if you can get reinforcements before they have tons of guys over the wall, like you mention.

Having a blacksmith is huge in siege defenses (unlimited arrows). Or is that just me used to playing MB Native Expansion before Warband was released? Perhaps that's not a feature in vanilla.

 

[Zhaker]

Because of me setting the Campaign AI to good, they seem to attack the poor castle every 7 days in game with 700 troops somehow :\, so either I thought that it would be doable and that I need to use something smart or the fact that sieging would become impossible, as I would need an army of 300 or so to begin sieging towns and such :\.

Being a nord, we lost alot of troops and so their constant whittle down of forces has only just one defender atm with me trying to hold on to dear life against 700 troops . I will try before I will give up on this some more .

 

[HunterAlpha1]

i've held out against 1000+ with only myself and my companions, though admittedly all of us were lvl 40+ with the best weapons and armour in the game, with the game set on easiest but with battle size set on 150

 

[Lord Rust]

i've held out against 1000+ with only myself and my companions, though admittedly all of us were lvl 40+ with the best weapons and armour in the game, with the game set on easiest but with battle size set on 150

On easiest only the -absolutely- strongest blow deliver...1-3 damage on you though, so that's pretty much playing it on god mode.

If your archers annoy you, try telling them to charge the enemy and maybe they'll be good little archers and die, if thats not a nice option grab a bow and shoot them in the head.

 

[HunterAlpha1]

one of the devs for the Blood mod for vanilla said they might add friendly fire for melee.  with this feature all you would have to do is hit those surplus archers to kill them. unfortunately, however, the game would be completely unplayable, especially in siege.

 

[Uzgull]

I play at 48% difficulty, this is very doable.
When its 10 vs. 1, then you should panic...

Fire as many shots as your can into their archers, kill their lords quickly (quite often they come in the '1st incoming'). Find ways to kill troops without entering combat with more than 2 people. It may be a long battle, but its quite possible!

 

[Taimat396]

Get at the top of the ladder.

Help your huscarls beat them down. Once they get a foothold or your shields break, retreat. Repeat as necessary. Much easier as vaegirs - Marksmen let loose until they get close, retreat and repeat.

 

[original]

Would having high tactics help in this case?

 

[aristocracy]

Would having high tactics help in this case?

i think tactics sucks ... 2 points 1 advantage equals 5 man advantage in the battlefield? or i am wrong about it.

 

[ibtorma]

my best was a defence 13xx against my 250  about 100 was my army garrisoned and the others the castle soldiers hight and mid tier troops all, we hold off the first wave and they didn't try a second one
Although i play on 1/2 damage to me and troops, because they always come in army.

 

[Hammo]

Would having high tactics help in this case?

i think tactics sucks ... 2 points 1 advantage equals 5 man advantage in the battlefield? or i am wrong about it.

As far as I am aware and what I have noticed is that the battle advantage number is a multiplier. For example, if I have 40 troops against 120 on the field my advantage is -3? But with tactics at 2 it would be -2? So they would only have 80. I'm not 100% sure.

 

[darkweaver]

I'm not sure about the exact formula for tactics, but from experience, it's *extremely* useful.  It can be the difference between getting 3-4 guys or most of your army in a "horribly outnumbered" scenario.  Keep in mind, though, that enemy lords have tactics skill as well, especially kings, which afaik have tactics 10.

 

[Zhaker]

Calodine: Dont really have a ladder here, its more of the siege where you bring in the platform instead, and I think I tried that but I'm against Vaegir who's marksman are deadly as that tore up my huscarls, I'll try again and see if I can rehold it.

As for tactics, it seems to be sorta useful, but if the enemy lord does have tactics of 10, then tactics essentially useless.  I'd expect tactics of 2 to 5 but not 10.... thats just crazy then...

 

[Asylumer]

As for tactics, it seems to be sorta useful, but if the enemy lord does have tactics of 10, then tactics essentially useless.  I'd expect tactics of 2 to 5 but not 10.... thats just crazy then...

I'm almost positive that he's incorrect about the tactics score for enemy lords. Perhaps he was thinking of Leadership? I know that the default Kings all have a very high score, and the claimants have something like 7. Normal lords have Leadership anywhere from 3-9.

 

[Boduar]

Think the best I won were my 130ish vs 1500+ khergit army (was on easy mode tho) and then on harder mode (difficulty = 149% or so) I won 200 vs ~1200 I think.  It really depends what castle your defending.  The hard mode victory was because I was defending Almerra Castle which if you dont know is impossible to take because of the setup and I really do mean impossible as long as the player is present and its not stupid auto-battle function.

 

[Zhaker]

As for tactics, it seems to be sorta useful, but if the enemy lord does have tactics of 10, then tactics essentially useless.  I'd expect tactics of 2 to 5 but not 10.... thats just crazy then...

I'm almost positive that he's incorrect about the tactics score for enemy lords. Perhaps he was thinking of Leadership? I know that the default Kings all have a very high score, and the claimants have something like 7. Normal lords have Leadership anywhere from 3-9.

I see, then if you become a king can you carry as many troops like the king does? Or are you limited to the same score as well?

Because the highest troops I seen form a lord is 145 but for Kings its 300+ easily....

Boduar: That's true, but it sounds like for sieges offensively if I go up agianst 1500 troops on their last town or castle, then I'd have to set the game on easy mode? I'm guessing I need to understand this a little more, but I have yet to go offensively on my own, and having someone else's troops to do the offensive makes it a little easier.

The biggest issue will be having those troops again, and costed about 2000 denars for upkeep. Although that doesnt seem to be alot, having 1 town would yield about 1k anyway, soooo hopefully the scaling for having towns would not be a deficit but more of a benefit.

 

[Faldarian]

Would having high tactics help in this case?

i think tactics sucks ... 2 points 1 advantage equals 5 man advantage in the battlefield? or i am wrong about it.

That can easily be the difference between having enough people to choke the top of a ladder during an attack and not having enough men to recover from losing a man or two. Tactics makes a huge difference.

As to the original question of whether 750 vs 123 is possible, it depends on the difficulty you play on. Yes, it is possible, but it's often very hard.

It also depends on the castle. Some are much easier to defend than others.

 

[Lord_Adam]

Depends how your armor is too.

Anything but heavy chain and plate, and preferably 2 shields unless your an archer, I would say your sort of ****ed.

However if you can plant all of your archers in a tower and put your infrantry on the stairs to the top you can win and jump down from it when you need to run.