should there be a cultural variety of armor and weapons in the game?

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What's the point of bringing China as a faction into this game? There's already the Khuzait Khanate, their weapons and armors are almost the same as what a china-based faction would use, except maybe the firelance, which is kinda out of place in Bannerlord.
 
daxiapi777 说:
Glad you brought Lord of the Ring into the discussion. It's fictional, yes, but it has a setting. You can have dwarves, elves and orcs. But it will be really weird if you have yokai and Chinese dragon in the book. Being fictional is something we call in China 'based on realism but more than realism'. You seem to neglect that based on realism part a bit too much. The map of Calradia is not exactly like Europe but quite similar, you have a snowy region to the north, the sea to the west, the desert to the south, and the steppe to the East. And following this map building logic, and further down the road - the setting, China should be far to the East, and Africa far to the south.
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China could be far in the east, but that didn’t stop Europe from acquiring the powder there,
but why did they bring only the powder?

duchuy613 说:
What's the point of bringing China as a faction into this game? There's already the Khuzait Khanate, their weapons and armors are almost the same as what a china-based faction would use, except maybe the firelance, which is kinda out of place in Bannerlord.
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If you think Mongolian is the same as Chinese, you are very wrong
 
Ryotarou 说:
One of the siege weapons uses gunpowder because it explodes, and gunpowder was discovered in China in the HAN dynasty, but it was better used in the Song dynasty, when at that time it was introduced to the rest of the world, before gunpowder was just black powder.
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There's no gunpowder....If you're talking about the catapult, then that's not gunpowder. It's exploding rock, for visual effect.
 
daxiapi777 说:
In case you haven't noticed, this game is based on medieval Europe. So you have the typical feudal, the Celtic, Roman, Viking, Slav, Muslim, and even Mongol factions. But the Far East hardly had any direct contact with medieval Europe.
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Marco Polo
 
duchuy613 说:
There's no gunpowder....If you're talking about the catapult, then that's not gunpowder. It's exploding rock, for visual effect.
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It has a red pitcher that when it launches with an access wick it explodes
Black powder is used in fireworks and it produces the same effects as the jar when it is stored and compressed

duchuy613 说:
I never said they're the same, I just said the Khuzait already using the same weapons and armors the a chinese faction would use.
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Jian ??Dao ? Ji ?
 
Ryotarou 说:
Jian ??Dao ? Ji ?
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There're jian in the game, or a sword that looks familiar. Jian isn't really a special weapon, it's simply a longsword.
There are also Daos too, they're sabers. Dao literally means saber. You can even craft zhanmadao in the smithy.
Maybe not Ji, but there are Guandao too.
 
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Jian - Wikipedia

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duchuy613 说:
There're jian in the game, or a sword that looks familiar. Jian isn't really a special weapon, it's simply a longsword.
There are also Daos too, they're sabers. Dao literally means saber. You can even craft zhanmadao in the smithy.
Maybe not Ji, but there are Guandao too.
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Familiar doesn't mean the same thing
 
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Classification of swords - Wikipedia

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duchuy613 说:
Yep, a double-edged straight sword....aka, a normal longsword. Jian literally means sword in Chinese...
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dude u so wrong

daxiapi777 说:
Glad you brought Lord of the Ring into the discussion. It's fictional, yes, but it has a setting. You can have dwarves, elves and orcs. But it will be really weird if you have yokai and Chinese dragon in the book. Being fictional is something we call in China 'based on realism but more than realism'. You seem to neglect that based on realism part a bit too much. The map of Calradia is not exactly like Europe but quite similar, you have a snowy region to the north, the sea to the west, the desert to the south, and the steppe to the East. And following this map building logic, and further down the road - the setting, China should be far to the East, and Africa far to the south.
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Yokai its japanese
 
daxiapi777 说:
Glad you brought Lord of the Ring into the discussion. It's fictional, yes, but it has a setting. You can have dwarves, elves and orcs. But it will be really weird if you have yokai and Chinese dragon in the book. Being fictional is something we call in China 'based on realism but more than realism'. You seem to neglect that based on realism part a bit too much. The map of Calradia is not exactly like Europe but quite similar, you have a snowy region to the north, the sea to the west, the desert to the south, and the steppe to the East. And following this map building logic, and further down the road - the setting, China should be far to the East, and Africa far to the south.
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I like that, based on realism but more than. In any fictional setting you have to set rules, if you break those rules it brings the audience out of their immersion in the story. I think this is the real argument. People on your side of the debate believe this is Europe. So bringing in the Chinese would break your immersion. I don't see the same rules as you. In fact the opposite. I see a place where nothing is really where it should be. Maybe I can see a Scandinavia to the far North, but it's too far east and contains no cities. I can see an overly large Cyprus, with no cities on it. That's about it. Of course there is snow in the North and deserts in the south. As long as we assume that the continent of Caladria is past the equator that's just logical.

There is room on the map for at least 3 more factions. The map already extends far to the east of the Khazits. Who did the Mongol's territory border in the East? China.

Not that it even matters. The Celts aren't where they were in reality, because the place they were in reality does not even exist on the map. The Vlandians are in the West but no amount of looking will tell me that they are in France. So things not being where they should is not a logical argument. Since things are already not where they should be. Since it's a work of fiction.

Which is why I say put in any faction from any part of the world that would be fun. The rule that things are where they were historically does not exist in this game.
 
S.O.D Brigand! 说:
I like that, based on realism but more than. In any fictional setting you have to set rules, if you break those rules it brings the audience out of their immersion in the story. I think this is the real argument. People on your side of the debate believe this is Europe. So bringing in the Chinese would break your immersion. I don't see the same rules as you. In fact the opposite. I see a place where nothing is really where it should be. Maybe I can see a Scandinavia to the far North, but it's too far east and contains no cities. I can see an overly large Cyprus, with no cities on it. That's about it. Of course there is snow in the North and deserts in the south. As long as we assume that the continent of Caladria is past the equator that's just logical.

There is room on the map for at least 3 more factions. The map already extends far to the east of the Khazits. Who did the Mongol's territory border in the East? China.

Not that it even matters. The Celts aren't where they were in reality, because the place they were in reality does not even exist on the map. The Vlandians are in the West but no amount of looking will tell me that they are in France. So things not being where they should is not a logical argument. Since things are already not where they should be. Since it's a work of fiction.

Which is why I say put in any faction from any part of the world that would be fun. The rule that things are where they were historically does not exist in this game.
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Ryotarou 说:
JIAN DONT MEAN SWORD IN CHINESE, ITS A SWORD TYPE-JIAN
DAO DONT MEANS SABER ITS A SABER TYPE-DAO
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no...jian literally mean sword is chinese, like, literally. So does dao.
Trust me, my country were ruled by China for 1000 years, our culture is closely related.
Bladed weapons, in China have 2 main categories, jian, which is sword, and dao, which is saber.
I don't remember anyone calling it a jian-sword. They call it a jian.
 
duchuy613 说:
no...jian literally mean sword is chinese, like, literally. So does dao.
Trust me, my country were ruled by China for 1000 years, our culture is closely related.
Bladed weapons, in China have 2 main categories, jian, which is sword, and dao, which is saber.
I don't remember anyone calling it a jian-sword. They call it a jian.
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i am chinese dude

Jian is a type of sword, man, just like a saber, they called jian a sword because it was the Chinese sword, you don't see a Japanese calling his katana a sword, but KATANA
 
Ryotarou 说:
JIAN DONT MEAN SWORD IN CHINESE, ITS A SWORD TYPE-JIAN
DAO DONT MEANS SABER ITS A SABER TYPE-DAO
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I don' t know where your knowledge comes from man. But in China, Jian simply means sword and Dao is very similar to sabre. We have 18 general types of weapons and most of them are not very different from their western counterparts.

18 types of weapons: Dao, Qiang, Jian, Ji, Fu, Yue, Go, Cha, Tang, Gun, Shuo, Bang, Bian, Jian, Chui, Zhua, Guaizi, Liuxing.
 
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