Should Japan get its full army back? (not only for self defense)
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I actually don't. For example, you can see that in the General History thread I mostly talk about WW2, leaving older stuff to other posters. On this side, I pretty much post about feminism, military stuff and world politics - because I know a little bit about those topics. I think the most esoteric topic I participated in the last 6+ months was that Mars terraforming / space colonization thread.ＤＹＳＴＯＰＩＡＮ 说:
Dystopian
*semantics* 
Austupaio
Duke
Question for you though, let's say there's three island nations. The first nation, Oдин, violates the agreement and builds beyond self-defence and attacks nation Zwei. Zwei is occupied by Oдин, should the third nation Trois intervene to assist Zwei and themselves violate the 'self-defence only' or allow Oдин to oppress Zwei?
They would have to intervene to assist Zwei, as the notion of self defense can be extended beyond the individual self and to the collective self, that being the three islands. To allow one island to engage in unchecked aggression against another is to compromise the internal stability of the collective and establish an unsustainable situation. Either Zwei would push the aggressor from their island and restore equilibrium on their own or the aggressor would fully subjugate Zwei. In either case, the aggressor cannot be trusted to refrain from future aggression unless Trois intervenes to overpower them. Then all three strengthen their militaries to prevent invasion of themselves and to allow for invasion of the others, locking them in a perpetual arms race until they develop weapons of mass destruction and trigger armageddon or their societies advance to a point where they diplomatically resolve their differences and begin concurrent, systematic disarmament. The first, being undesirable for all, would hopefully be avoided until the second comes to pass.Jean-Chrysostôme Bruneteau de Sainte-Suzanne 说:
Sounds familiar...
If we can't argue pointlessly over semantics, why was the Internet invented in the first place?ＤＹＳＴＯＰＩＡＮ 说:*semantics*
Few facts for those who are too lazy to even check Wikipedia:
Active personnel 247,150 personnel (2015)
Percent of GDP 1% (contrast to 3.3% for USA, 5.4% for Russia and 1.9% for PLA though most analysts say that the real percentage is much higher for PLA as it owns many industries and consumption/investment in them is not part of the defence budget)
The two big changes that JSDF is going through are the 2015 Japanese military legislation, that allows Japan to participate in the defence of its allies, and the upcoming 2020 revision of the Constitution. The Japanese Constitution outlaws war as a means to settle international disputes, obviously making any use of JSDF in a conflict that isn't pure self-defence illegal.
Japan still has a pretty good domestic military industry and many of its equipment is wholly or partially manufactured in Japan, like the Howa Type 89 and Type 64 rifles and the Sumitomo Type 74 machine gun. Their special forces use common SF kit, like H&K G417 and FN SCAR. They have a good inventory of surface-to-ship and surface-to-air missiles of both good and excellent quality. The Type 10 and Type 90 MBTs are roughly equivalent to Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 tanks. JSDF also operates AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, being one of the few countries outside of USA to do so.
Most importantly, in view that any future large scale conflict will most likely involve China, the JSDF has ordered 42 F-35's. Currently they operate a mix of F-15J Eagles, EF-4EJ Phantoms and Mitsubishi F-2s (Japanese version of the F-16), in total a 288 fighter planes. The F-35s will replace the old Phantoms. They also have a number of AWACS and EW platforms and their air defence network includes Patriots and Vulcans, plus domestic missiles. A stealth fighter, codenamed X-2, is under development.
On the naval side, they have a whole bunch of P-3 Orions to hunt for Chinese and North-Korean submarines, plus a very respectable naval force of 19 submarines, 30 destroyers, 10 frigates and 45 support ships, not counting auxiliries. Thanks to Japanese-American cooperation, many of their destroyers are AEGIS equipped.
So no, the JSDF is not a "toothless tiger" despite what this BBC article claims. To be fair, it's pure click-bait headlining, the actual article is pretty well written and nuanced.
Dystopian
No I facepalmed because you understand what I meant but your pride inhibits you from just agreeing with me. You do indeed speak about things you don't know since we all do.
pentagathus
Baron
Have you ever thought about just not posting?
It's not like your post has any more merit.Big Bad Pent 说:
BBC headlines lately have been increasingly misleading, I think. I saw one a few days ago about the two women charged with killing Kim Jong-nam and it said something like "Kim Jong-nam killers 'not guilty' " as the headline for the article, but in the article itself it says they have only just entered their 'not guilty' pleas. The headline was changed the next day, but still, some editor let that pass the first time.Sofia Johanna Jeanette Munsterhjelm von Platen 说:
For me the real question in that matter is if 70-ish years of brainwashing was enough to erase 1000+ years of a culture based on the worship of ultimate service through death and martial superiority. But then, I hold the squealing sounds of anime girls insufferable and I'd rather see the Japs embracing the ideals of Mishima Yukio again than to hear more of that abomination.
Probably not, because ultra-nationalist and far-right groups do exist. Though if that Wikipedia page is right that their membership is only around 100,000 then their influence could be fairly small in a nation of 120 million people. That's like 0.083% only.
No, I responded because you made an hyperbolic exaggeration. I do try to make a distinction between opinions and facts. You claimed as if I posted EVERYWHERE and pretended to know EVERYTHING.ＤＹＳＴＯＰＩＡＮ 说:
100,000 ultranationalist party members is still proportionally equivalent to France and much higher than such fascist hellholes as the UK* and Germany. Not to mention that political participation is notoriously low in Japan anyway.
