KhergitLancer80
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I opened this topic because we were really occupying a lot of place in the dev blog and devs really dont like that.
Alright first of all let me share you the history of the scimitar.
Scimitar is an umbrella term it appeared in the 16th century England in order to define all the curved swords of middle east and india.These are the ''scimitar types'' based on nations:
Shamshir (Iran)
Saif(Arabian Peninsula)
Kilij (Turkey and Egypt)
Nimcha (Morocco)
Pulwar (Afghanistan)
Talwar (Indian Subcontinent)
Shamshir: Early swords of the Persians were straight double edged swords.In the 11th century Seljuq Turks who were from Central Asia invaded Iran and they introduced their kilij to Persians.In the 12th century Persians took inspiration from it and crafted their own curved sword and called it Shamshir which basically means ''sword'' in Persian.
Saif:Now like Persians, early Arabic swords were also straight and double edged.They had 3 kinds of swords.Saif, Takoba, Kaskara.As they adopted curved swords they also called it Saif.
Sword of Umar(orginal Saif):
Takoba:
Kaskara:
How did they adopted curved swords ? They learnt it from their Ghilmans.Ghilmans were slave-soldiers.Ghilman were introduced to the Abbasid Caliphate during the reign of al-Mu'tasim (r. 833–842), who showed them great favor and relied upon them for his personal guard. The ghilman were slave-soldiers taken as prisoners of war from conquered regions or frontier zones, especially from among the Turkic people of Central Asia and the Caucasian peoples (Turkish: Kölemen).They learnt it from their Turkic slave-soldiers.
Nimcha:Morrocon swords as late as 18th century I am not even explaining it.They took it from the Ottoman Empire or the Arabs.
Pulwar:The pulwar or pulouar is a single-handed curved sword originating in Afghanistan. It is the traditional sword of the Pashtun people.
It only dates back to the early 19th century.
Talwar:The talwar originated alongside other curved swords such as the Persian shamshir, the Turkish kilij and the Afghan pulwar, all such swords being originally derived from earlier curved swords developed in Turkic Central Asia.[3] The talwar typically does not have as radical a curve as the shamshir and only a very small minority have the expanded, stepped, yelman typical of the kilij.[4][5]-wiki
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Now I want to talk about kilij.
Some say kilij derived from Turko-Mongol sabre while only calling Ottoman and Mameluke ones kilij while some call both of them kilij.
Doesnt matter.I am going to call both of them kilij in order to prevent any confusions.
The Central Asian Turks and their offshoots begun using curved cavalry swords beginning from the late Hsiung-Nu period.[3] The earliest examples of curved, single edged Turkish swords can be found associated with the late Hsiung-nu and Kok Turk empires.[4] These swords were made of pattern welded high carbon crucible steel, generally with long slightly curved blades with one sharp edge. A sharp back edge on the distal third of the blade known as "yalman" or "yelman" was introduced during this period.
Kilij is the first known saber in history or at least the earliest known direct predecessor of the sabers.Because the steppe people were advanced in mounted warfare they felt need of these.
In wiki you will mostly find Ottoman kilij which evolved a lot over years compared to the mongolian example above this.It also became more curved and thicker in order to be more effective against European armor.
Now for the Aserai things are complicated.
I know that I demanded Aserai NOT to have any curved swords but my idea changed simply because I read their blog again and saw that there will be a minor faction based on Ghilams.
Remembered the Ghilams ? Yes they were the ones who introduced curved swords to Abbasid Caliphate.
Now the contradictory is that TW says they were inspired by before Islam Arabs instead of caliphates but they also add a minor faction based on Ghilam system which was introduced in 9th century to Abbasid Caliphate.
So long story short it is a soup of overall Arab history therefore I dont see a problem with this anymore.
Alright first of all let me share you the history of the scimitar.
Scimitar is an umbrella term it appeared in the 16th century England in order to define all the curved swords of middle east and india.These are the ''scimitar types'' based on nations:
Shamshir (Iran)
Saif(Arabian Peninsula)
Kilij (Turkey and Egypt)
Nimcha (Morocco)
Pulwar (Afghanistan)
Talwar (Indian Subcontinent)
Shamshir: Early swords of the Persians were straight double edged swords.In the 11th century Seljuq Turks who were from Central Asia invaded Iran and they introduced their kilij to Persians.In the 12th century Persians took inspiration from it and crafted their own curved sword and called it Shamshir which basically means ''sword'' in Persian.
Saif:Now like Persians, early Arabic swords were also straight and double edged.They had 3 kinds of swords.Saif, Takoba, Kaskara.As they adopted curved swords they also called it Saif.
Sword of Umar(orginal Saif):
How did they adopted curved swords ? They learnt it from their Ghilmans.Ghilmans were slave-soldiers.Ghilman were introduced to the Abbasid Caliphate during the reign of al-Mu'tasim (r. 833–842), who showed them great favor and relied upon them for his personal guard. The ghilman were slave-soldiers taken as prisoners of war from conquered regions or frontier zones, especially from among the Turkic people of Central Asia and the Caucasian peoples (Turkish: Kölemen).They learnt it from their Turkic slave-soldiers.
Nimcha:Morrocon swords as late as 18th century I am not even explaining it.They took it from the Ottoman Empire or the Arabs.
Pulwar:The pulwar or pulouar is a single-handed curved sword originating in Afghanistan. It is the traditional sword of the Pashtun people.
It only dates back to the early 19th century.
Talwar:The talwar originated alongside other curved swords such as the Persian shamshir, the Turkish kilij and the Afghan pulwar, all such swords being originally derived from earlier curved swords developed in Turkic Central Asia.[3] The talwar typically does not have as radical a curve as the shamshir and only a very small minority have the expanded, stepped, yelman typical of the kilij.[4][5]-wiki
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Now I want to talk about kilij.
Some say kilij derived from Turko-Mongol sabre while only calling Ottoman and Mameluke ones kilij while some call both of them kilij.
Doesnt matter.I am going to call both of them kilij in order to prevent any confusions.
The Central Asian Turks and their offshoots begun using curved cavalry swords beginning from the late Hsiung-Nu period.[3] The earliest examples of curved, single edged Turkish swords can be found associated with the late Hsiung-nu and Kok Turk empires.[4] These swords were made of pattern welded high carbon crucible steel, generally with long slightly curved blades with one sharp edge. A sharp back edge on the distal third of the blade known as "yalman" or "yelman" was introduced during this period.
Kilij is the first known saber in history or at least the earliest known direct predecessor of the sabers.Because the steppe people were advanced in mounted warfare they felt need of these.
Though single-edged cutting swords existed in Ancient and Early Medieval Europe, such as the Greek makhaira and the Germanic seax, the direct predecessor of the sabre appears in the context of the Eurasian steppes in the medieval period, connected to the Magyars and the Turkic expansion.[4] These oldest sabres had a slight curve, short, down-turned quillons, the grip facing the opposite direction to the blade and a sharp point with the top third of the reverse edge sharpened.[5]
In wiki you will mostly find Ottoman kilij which evolved a lot over years compared to the mongolian example above this.It also became more curved and thicker in order to be more effective against European armor.
Now for the Aserai things are complicated.
I know that I demanded Aserai NOT to have any curved swords but my idea changed simply because I read their blog again and saw that there will be a minor faction based on Ghilams.
Remembered the Ghilams ? Yes they were the ones who introduced curved swords to Abbasid Caliphate.
Now the contradictory is that TW says they were inspired by before Islam Arabs instead of caliphates but they also add a minor faction based on Ghilam system which was introduced in 9th century to Abbasid Caliphate.
So long story short it is a soup of overall Arab history therefore I dont see a problem with this anymore.
