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Grandmaster Knight
I would agree with you Aule, that it seems sensible to simply remove the first, or first two, tiers of troops, but then add some cloth armor from the second tier troops to the third tier perhaps, so they wouldn't all be equipped with mail.
@Amundr, I will take a closer look at the hierarchical structure when I get home.
@Amundr, I will take a closer look at the hierarchical structure when I get home.
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
when I said danish, I meant old danish, as in old east norse, sorry 
Btw, can you direct me to a contemporary danish source? I'd love to look through it. Considering the fact that we ARE short on names, maybe we could mix up the old east norse and old west norse "troop names" (with some form of standardized spelling, of course). I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth and I can't wait to continue
In addition, I'd also like to confirm, that herremand and høvudsmand are in fact modernisations of older titles: Herremadher and höfudhsmadher, and not just modern danish substitutions from the 18th century or somesuch, when the danish language was a lot more germanized. It's a bit like looking at Bokmål and Nynorsk today... Nynorsk has very few words that aren't norse, like for example, the bokmål word "bestemme", has the danish prefix "be-", which is imported from German. Nynorsk has Råde/Råda, which is from old norse, ráða (old east norse would presumably be "Rádhe"), not german. Seeing as Bokmål is danish with hard consonants, I'd assume the danish is the same as Bokmål when it comes to these words. Herramaður exists in Icelandic, but if I remember correctly, it's a danish loan word, and is from german herr, as opposed to a common germanic root. I'll ask my mother though, she'll know, or at least will be able to make an educated guess. Høvedmand would be Höfuðsmaður (or höfudhsmadher), which is norse, but I don't know if it's contemporary, or if it's an evolution of Höfðíngi (they mean the same, and stem from the same root, but you never know).
I see a couple of oddities in the troop tree, like staðveiðamaður (which should be veiðimaður btw), town is býr (modern icelandic bær), staður is place, they come from the same meaning, bær, along with bóndi, and búandi, is from the verb "að búa", to live, and you live in a place which has led to the word Stad in modern scandinavian to mean "town". The Heimskringla calls towns for Kaupstaður (shopping place), Kaupángur (shopping fjord), or Býr (city). The former two however, are used in the viking setting of the earlier kings, while Býr starts to take over when the cities become larger, so maybe there is a difference between the two, or Snorri was quite an adept linguist
Höfðíngi means chieftain, and it's in the nominative case (case kills sentences like these, which are a mixture of english and old norse, since english doesn't have case), correctly it would be "höfðingja bogamaður", literally "a chieftains archer", but it's a bit of a mouthfull, don't you agree? I also think cheiftain is a bit outdated for this mod, with scandinavia being 3 kingdoms and all. Konúngr will have replaced it a LONG time ago, I think.
side note, my mom's english icelandic dictionary translates armoured as "Brynvarinn" (literally armourprotected), and I think that's a pretty good adjective.
Brynvarinn Bogamaður
Brynvarinn Spjótsmaður (or Brynvarinn Leiðangsmaður, if othr takes my suggestion to cut the troop tree down)
Brynvarinn Gestur
Brynvarinn Hirðmaður
Brynvarinn lásbogamaður
and veteran, my dictionary suggested Þaulreyndur maður, literally well experienced man, similarly Þaulvanur means seasoned.
Bogamaður-Þaulreyndur Bogamaður-Brynvarinn Bogamaður
Spjótsmaður - Þaulreyndur spjótsmaður-Brynvarinn Spjótsmaður (again, I still think this should be leiðangsmaður, but only if we cut the troop tree down)
Gestur - Þaulreyndur Gestur - Brynvarinn Gestur
Hirðmaður - Þaulreyndur Hirðmaður - Brynvarinn Hirðmaður
lásbogamaður - þaulreyndur lásbogamaður - Brynvarinn Lásbogamaður
also, switch placed between Hermaður and Búandkarl. so býjarmaður, búandkarl, then hermaður, and then hirðmaður.
now I'm gonna download the blasted thing, and try it out
Btw, can you direct me to a contemporary danish source? I'd love to look through it. Considering the fact that we ARE short on names, maybe we could mix up the old east norse and old west norse "troop names" (with some form of standardized spelling, of course). I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth and I can't wait to continueIn addition, I'd also like to confirm, that herremand and høvudsmand are in fact modernisations of older titles: Herremadher and höfudhsmadher, and not just modern danish substitutions from the 18th century or somesuch, when the danish language was a lot more germanized. It's a bit like looking at Bokmål and Nynorsk today... Nynorsk has very few words that aren't norse, like for example, the bokmål word "bestemme", has the danish prefix "be-", which is imported from German. Nynorsk has Råde/Råda, which is from old norse, ráða (old east norse would presumably be "Rádhe"), not german. Seeing as Bokmål is danish with hard consonants, I'd assume the danish is the same as Bokmål when it comes to these words. Herramaður exists in Icelandic, but if I remember correctly, it's a danish loan word, and is from german herr, as opposed to a common germanic root. I'll ask my mother though, she'll know, or at least will be able to make an educated guess. Høvedmand would be Höfuðsmaður (or höfudhsmadher), which is norse, but I don't know if it's contemporary, or if it's an evolution of Höfðíngi (they mean the same, and stem from the same root, but you never know).
I see a couple of oddities in the troop tree, like staðveiðamaður (which should be veiðimaður btw), town is býr (modern icelandic bær), staður is place
, they come from the same meaning, bær, along with bóndi, and búandi, is from the verb "að búa", to live, and you live in a place which has led to the word Stad in modern scandinavian to mean "town". The Heimskringla calls towns for Kaupstaður (shopping place), Kaupángur (shopping fjord), or Býr (city). The former two however, are used in the viking setting of the earlier kings, while Býr starts to take over when the cities become larger, so maybe there is a difference between the two, or Snorri was quite an adept linguist Höfðíngi means chieftain, and it's in the nominative case (case kills sentences like these, which are a mixture of english and old norse, since english doesn't have case), correctly it would be "höfðingja bogamaður", literally "a chieftains archer", but it's a bit of a mouthfull, don't you agree? I also think cheiftain is a bit outdated for this mod, with scandinavia being 3 kingdoms and all. Konúngr will have replaced it a LONG time ago, I think.
side note, my mom's english icelandic dictionary translates armoured as "Brynvarinn" (literally armourprotected), and I think that's a pretty good adjective.
Brynvarinn Bogamaður
Brynvarinn Spjótsmaður (or Brynvarinn Leiðangsmaður, if othr takes my suggestion to cut the troop tree down)
Brynvarinn Gestur
Brynvarinn Hirðmaður
Brynvarinn lásbogamaður
and veteran, my dictionary suggested Þaulreyndur maður, literally well experienced man, similarly Þaulvanur means seasoned.
Bogamaður-Þaulreyndur Bogamaður-Brynvarinn Bogamaður
Spjótsmaður - Þaulreyndur spjótsmaður-Brynvarinn Spjótsmaður (again, I still think this should be leiðangsmaður, but only if we cut the troop tree down)
Gestur - Þaulreyndur Gestur - Brynvarinn Gestur
Hirðmaður - Þaulreyndur Hirðmaður - Brynvarinn Hirðmaður
lásbogamaður - þaulreyndur lásbogamaður - Brynvarinn Lásbogamaður
also, switch placed between Hermaður and Búandkarl. so býjarmaður, búandkarl, then hermaður, and then hirðmaður.
now I'm gonna download the blasted thing, and try it out
Amundr
Master Knight
The copy of the Skuggsjá i read used Höfðíngi(which is where othr got it from), but it was talking about ireland or iceland when using it(don't remember which atm).Aule_the_creator 说:
So might not be used here at home but still be part of the language.
The same Skuggsjá copy uses Kaupstað and Stað for town.Aule_the_creator 说:I see a couple of oddities in the troop tree, like staðveiðamaður (which should be veiðimaður btw), town is býr (modern icelandic bær), staður is place
This becomes your suggestion then ?Aule_the_creator 说:
Id prefer to have only gestur/gestir, hirdmaður etc at the top and maybe have a intermediate below that could use the experienced/armored titles.
Also i think that the names get realy long this way. Maybe use seasoned instead for that reason.
What about the cavalry tree ? We have skutilsveinr and riddarar. And also another iteration of Hirðmenn.
@othr Is it possible to use another type of axes for Huskarlar ?
The one used seems more like a hammer to me.
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
it would still be Staður, or Staðr, and it would have to be "Staða veiðimaður" (and I'm suggesting Veiðimaður, not Veiðamaður). Although I'm in favour of dropping the archer there, it's much cheaper, and much easier, to get a hold of and use a crossbow, townsfolk wouldn't start with the bow, and then go over to the crossbow, would they? Rather the other way around I should think, because the bow is more versatile, but takes more time to practice.
Heimskringla calls the townsfolk for Býjarmenn, not Staðamenn, Staður is short for Kaupstaður I'm guessing, so maybe it's only used for the noun "town", not as a compound word? I dunno.
and the word höfðingi still exists, sure, I just mean it's useage would be limited, was it used as the term "erlendir höfðingjar"?
if you're having issues with the repeated use of Gestur, spjótmaður, and hirðmaður, then we have even more naming troubles, especially since gestir are primarily lightly armoured, yet badass, infantry. So you're suggesting:
?
Then my counteroffer would be:
although I'm not completely satisfied with it... mainly because I think it's too long. IMHO, the equipment they carry should be what separates the top tier troops, because we're hard pressed to come up with proper elite "titles" already. In addition, the village tree doesn't have to be as "elite" as the other one, because they're your "all purpose troops" that you pick up in the Leiðangur, while the city troops would be more "elite", since that tree doesn't branch as much, and should therefore be a bit more elite and "professional"
I'd be happier with this:
Note how all the trees are 4 tiers, except for the city infantry tree, which is 5? the Brynvarinn Hermaður is on par with the Brynvarinn Gestur, and Brynvarinn Leiðangsmaður, while the Hirðmaður, which is the elite of the elite in the norwegian military (sans skútlsveinar), are a tier above them, and therefore much more powerful, and special.
Cavalry tree:
I agree that it needs to be longer... but I couldn't find anything in the Skuggjsá at all... in fact, I couldn't even find the Kertilsveinn or Skútilsveinn mentioned. I only found information about the húskarls which AREN'T allowed to eat at the kings table, like the gestir, and other workmen, as well as the ones who aren't present at the hird, and the ones who hold "veislur" for the king in the country.
Looks like I need to get my hands on the Hirðskrá for the information pretaining to the cavalry tree (although a knights equipment is well described in the Speculum Regale (skuggsjá), but we need to look through it anyway, because it contains descriptions on what you're expected to own, like I know for example that all gestir are required to own a Panzari, and the requirements keep rising.
one interesting thing I noticed in the skuggsjá that the mounted knight is expected to own a really sharp, and well-constructed Glaive xD
Hörður Barðdal Bjarnason
Heimskringla calls the townsfolk for Býjarmenn, not Staðamenn, Staður is short for Kaupstaður I'm guessing, so maybe it's only used for the noun "town", not as a compound word? I dunno.
and the word höfðingi still exists, sure, I just mean it's useage would be limited, was it used as the term "erlendir höfðingjar"?
if you're having issues with the repeated use of Gestur, spjótmaður, and hirðmaður, then we have even more naming troubles, especially since gestir are primarily lightly armoured, yet badass, infantry. So you're suggesting:
?
Then my counteroffer would be:
although I'm not completely satisfied with it... mainly because I think it's too long. IMHO, the equipment they carry should be what separates the top tier troops, because we're hard pressed to come up with proper elite "titles" already. In addition, the village tree doesn't have to be as "elite" as the other one, because they're your "all purpose troops" that you pick up in the Leiðangur, while the city troops would be more "elite", since that tree doesn't branch as much, and should therefore be a bit more elite and "professional"
I'd be happier with this:
Note how all the trees are 4 tiers, except for the city infantry tree, which is 5? the Brynvarinn Hermaður is on par with the Brynvarinn Gestur, and Brynvarinn Leiðangsmaður, while the Hirðmaður, which is the elite of the elite in the norwegian military (sans skútlsveinar), are a tier above them, and therefore much more powerful, and special.
Cavalry tree:
I agree that it needs to be longer... but I couldn't find anything in the Skuggjsá at all... in fact, I couldn't even find the Kertilsveinn or Skútilsveinn mentioned. I only found information about the húskarls which AREN'T allowed to eat at the kings table, like the gestir, and other workmen, as well as the ones who aren't present at the hird, and the ones who hold "veislur" for the king in the country.
Looks like I need to get my hands on the Hirðskrá for the information pretaining to the cavalry tree (although a knights equipment is well described in the Speculum Regale (skuggsjá), but we need to look through it anyway, because it contains descriptions on what you're expected to own, like I know for example that all gestir are required to own a Panzari, and the requirements keep rising.
one interesting thing I noticed in the skuggsjá that the mounted knight is expected to own a really sharp, and well-constructed Glaive xD
Hörður Barðdal Bjarnason
Amundr
Master Knight
It uses Höfðingi and Höfðingjar extensively in chapter XXXIV page 71 first paragraph of the father's answer.Aule_the_creator 说:
I agree this looks nice. The trouble i have with the elite names is that i dont feel like the elite should be improved upon. ie a Hirðmaður should allready be well armored and seasoned/experienced when reaching the Hirðmaður status.Aule_the_creator 说:
That Hirðmaður is the only elite unit also works well with othr's ambition of factional units aswell.
I suppose we could add one or more tier of kotkarl and/or bónda at the bottom too if we need 5 tiers or more.
And yes i know you don't like that aule but we might have to.
Any chance of a 4 tier tree poll othr ?
Wouldnt work well if the nordic tree was the only one at 4 tiers.
Yup it also mentions two other types of húskarl's that arent named, i was pretty frustrated when i read that.Aule_the_creator 说:
If only they had written the names. *sigh*Already pm'ed othr the english passages about the cavalry equipment a few days ago. That is pretty nice stuff.
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
I found myself an english translation of the Hirðskrá:
http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/7575/89015177439_20070508151223.pdf?sequence=1
it says, in regard to the equipment of the Hirð (with summaries by myself in brackets):
And each page(skútilsveinn) shall own a complete set of armour.
That consists first of a spaldinier and an armour-shirt, a mail hood and a mail shirt, together with mail stockings and mail gauntlets, a helmet or steel cap, a sword, a spear, a sturdy shield, and a breastplate.
(I.E. an aceton, full chainmail, including hose, gloves, and a hood, a helmet, swords, spear, shield, and a coat of plates)
A buckler is also quite useful, and no less so a bow or a crossbow. A hirdmann shall own an armour-shirt also, and over that a panzer or a mail shirt. He shall own a steel cap, a good shield, a spear, a buckler, and a bow with three dozen arrows.
(I.E. an aceton, and either a mail shirt and/or ANOTHER aceton, sleeveless, to wear over that, a helmet, a shield, spear, buckler, and a bow)
Guests are to own a strong armour shirt, a steel cap, a shield, a sword, a spear, and a bow with two dozen arrows. The candle bearers are to own the same weapons as those just prescribed for the guests.
The way I was thinking was that the gestir, and the leiðangsmenn are equipped with the equipment the hirðskrá and landslov set as a minimum requirement (a shield, a spear, and an axe for the Leiðangur), while the Þulreyndur (veteran) and Brynvarinn (armoured) are more seasoned versions, that have looted or bought extra gear, while the Hirðmaður, which has pretty high gear requirements, comes at the end of the swordsman tree, making him the elite of the elite, and he won't get better gear (because he already has awesome gear).
and the skandinavian tree can be very different from the other tree's because the scandinavian countries relied more on the old levy system than the rest of medieval europe did, and the peasants etc etc are all required to own weapons with which to protect themselves, and for attending in the leiðangur. I.E. the scandinavian recruits, the kotkarl, should be better equipped, and a bit stronger than the peasant of other factions, therefore it's only fair that the tree is shorter to compensate and balance.
one thing I noticed, Othr, was that the leiðangsmaður in 0.9 suddenly goes from having an aceton (húskarl) to having weird leather armour (leiðangsmaður), not all of them, but a fair few and that the aceton which opens from the front with straps is also unhistorical, it appears later, the period acetons are pulled over your head, see the mac bible.
I'm also protesting against the use of Couir Builli by the troops. Chainmail and a surcoat/cote-de-plates would be apropriate for the top tier infantry, at least in scandinavia, the hirðskrá above says what the hirð must be armed with, and the knights are supposed to outshine all others in gear, so what's mentioned above for the "pages" is the top of the line equipment in scandinavia, at least as late as 1275, in addition to the stuff mentioned in skuggsjá for cavalry combat.
also, the skuggsjá did mention hairfashion and beard fashion in norway in this period for the hirð... hair no longer than your ears (debatable if it's the top, or the earlobes, it says eyrnablöð IIRC) and Jaðarskegg (sideburns reaching your jawbone), as seen in the german fashion.
as for the specifics of the arming of the top of the tree, if we could make the spearman, the gestur, and the hermaður wear the equipment assigned to Gestur in the Hirðskrá (with obvious changes, spears for the spearmen, long axes for the gestir (not 2h axes), and swords for the hermenn), and then make the þaulreyndur and brynvarinn versions be armoured with randomly generated mail shirts without surcoats, gambesons/acetons/coat of plates, mail hoods, chaucees, and mail gloves, to represent that some of the veterans have gotten gear which isn't required, but which they prefer, but that not everyone would get exactly the same outfit, with the Hirðmenn again having "standardized" gear, do you see where I'm going here guys? it makes sense where there is a minimum requirement, that gear gained by looting and individual purchase won't be exactly the same for each soldier (but we can give them the same armour ratings for balance purposes), but that the "minimum requirements" wich have to be fullfilled are standardized for all units.
also, more woolen hose on low tier troops, and less boots, thank you
http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/7575/89015177439_20070508151223.pdf?sequence=1
it says, in regard to the equipment of the Hirð (with summaries by myself in brackets):
And each page(skútilsveinn) shall own a complete set of armour.
That consists first of a spaldinier and an armour-shirt, a mail hood and a mail shirt, together with mail stockings and mail gauntlets, a helmet or steel cap, a sword, a spear, a sturdy shield, and a breastplate.
(I.E. an aceton, full chainmail, including hose, gloves, and a hood, a helmet, swords, spear, shield, and a coat of plates)
A buckler is also quite useful, and no less so a bow or a crossbow. A hirdmann shall own an armour-shirt also, and over that a panzer or a mail shirt. He shall own a steel cap, a good shield, a spear, a buckler, and a bow with three dozen arrows.
(I.E. an aceton, and either a mail shirt and/or ANOTHER aceton, sleeveless, to wear over that, a helmet, a shield, spear, buckler, and a bow)
Guests are to own a strong armour shirt, a steel cap, a shield, a sword, a spear, and a bow with two dozen arrows. The candle bearers are to own the same weapons as those just prescribed for the guests.
The way I was thinking was that the gestir, and the leiðangsmenn are equipped with the equipment the hirðskrá and landslov set as a minimum requirement (a shield, a spear, and an axe for the Leiðangur), while the Þulreyndur (veteran) and Brynvarinn (armoured) are more seasoned versions, that have looted or bought extra gear, while the Hirðmaður, which has pretty high gear requirements, comes at the end of the swordsman tree, making him the elite of the elite, and he won't get better gear (because he already has awesome gear).
and the skandinavian tree can be very different from the other tree's because the scandinavian countries relied more on the old levy system than the rest of medieval europe did, and the peasants etc etc are all required to own weapons with which to protect themselves, and for attending in the leiðangur. I.E. the scandinavian recruits, the kotkarl, should be better equipped, and a bit stronger than the peasant of other factions, therefore it's only fair that the tree is shorter to compensate and balance.
one thing I noticed, Othr, was that the leiðangsmaður in 0.9 suddenly goes from having an aceton (húskarl) to having weird leather armour (leiðangsmaður), not all of them, but a fair few and that the aceton which opens from the front with straps is also unhistorical, it appears later, the period acetons are pulled over your head, see the mac bible.
I'm also protesting against the use of Couir Builli by the troops. Chainmail and a surcoat/cote-de-plates would be apropriate for the top tier infantry, at least in scandinavia, the hirðskrá above says what the hirð must be armed with, and the knights are supposed to outshine all others in gear, so what's mentioned above for the "pages" is the top of the line equipment in scandinavia, at least as late as 1275, in addition to the stuff mentioned in skuggsjá for cavalry combat.
also, the skuggsjá did mention hairfashion and beard fashion in norway in this period for the hirð... hair no longer than your ears (debatable if it's the top, or the earlobes, it says eyrnablöð IIRC) and Jaðarskegg (sideburns reaching your jawbone), as seen in the german fashion.
as for the specifics of the arming of the top of the tree, if we could make the spearman, the gestur, and the hermaður wear the equipment assigned to Gestur in the Hirðskrá (with obvious changes, spears for the spearmen, long axes for the gestir (not 2h axes), and swords for the hermenn), and then make the þaulreyndur and brynvarinn versions be armoured with randomly generated mail shirts without surcoats, gambesons/acetons/coat of plates, mail hoods, chaucees, and mail gloves, to represent that some of the veterans have gotten gear which isn't required, but which they prefer, but that not everyone would get exactly the same outfit, with the Hirðmenn again having "standardized" gear, do you see where I'm going here guys? it makes sense where there is a minimum requirement, that gear gained by looting and individual purchase won't be exactly the same for each soldier (but we can give them the same armour ratings for balance purposes), but that the "minimum requirements" wich have to be fullfilled are standardized for all units.
also, more woolen hose on low tier troops, and less boots, thank you
Amundr
Master Knight
Doh! well seems gestir doesn't use axes then.Aule_the_creator 说:
Use leiðangsmenn for axes and Gestir for spears or do we need to find something else ?
Sounds good.Aule_the_creator 说:
True enough. I was thinking more game balance wise. If the nordic trees are shorter it means they at different times are either much worse than the other armies out there or much better, depending on where in the progression most of your units are. ie not as smooth a transition as other trees.Aule_the_creator 说:
Not sure if we have any sideburns only beards in the character creator.Aule_the_creator 说:
Depends on where our lowest tier starts.Aule_the_creator 说:also, more woolen hose on low tier troops, and less boots, thank you
Kotkarl, sure but if we start at Bónda or huskarl im sure they atleast had some sort of covering for their feet.Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
the woolen hose include shoes
actually, rather than the historical equipment, I was going for the "feel" of the units. Gestir are evil buggers, who threaten you, kidnap you, and send you to the Gulag interment camps Just because their minimum requirements don't include axes, doesn't mean they can't be the billmen in the mod, and the axes for the leiðangsmenn are hand axes, not polearms. Leiðangsmenn are country-troops, who are levied when the need arises, and spears and handaxes are the cheapest weapons, so Leiðangsmenn are spearmen (note, all troops should have a spear, even the knight, and the Hirðmaður, but othr's set-up doesn't work like that), while Hirðmenn are elite, and that's why I put them in the swordsman tree, as well as it's lack of branches.
it's also the reason why we can't upgrade them húskarl-gestur-hirðmaður-skútilsveinn-lendur maður, because othr's cavalry tree is necessary for the realistic 10% representation.
that's why I made the troop tree the way I suggested. I think having Gestir as spearmen doesn't feel right, either.
actually, rather than the historical equipment, I was going for the "feel" of the units. Gestir are evil buggers, who threaten you, kidnap you, and send you to the Gulag interment camps
Just because their minimum requirements don't include axes, doesn't mean they can't be the billmen in the mod, and the axes for the leiðangsmenn are hand axes, not polearms. Leiðangsmenn are country-troops, who are levied when the need arises, and spears and handaxes are the cheapest weapons, so Leiðangsmenn are spearmen (note, all troops should have a spear, even the knight, and the Hirðmaður, but othr's set-up doesn't work like that), while Hirðmenn are elite, and that's why I put them in the swordsman tree, as well as it's lack of branches.it's also the reason why we can't upgrade them húskarl-gestur-hirðmaður-skútilsveinn-lendur maður, because othr's cavalry tree is necessary for the realistic 10% representation.
that's why I made the troop tree the way I suggested. I think having Gestir as spearmen doesn't feel right, either.
Amundr
Master Knight
Great, now i feel better about sending them to their deaths knowing that atleast their feet are dry.Aule_the_creator 说:the woolen hose include shoes
Yup, i agree they fit the ruthless axeman image well.Aule_the_creator 说:actually, rather than the historical equipment, I was going for the "feel" of the units. Gestir are evil buggers, who threaten you, kidnap you, and send you to the Gulag interment camps
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
thank you
oh Othr! I think we've come to an agreement!!! Implement it, please xD
and we need textures for aceton hose, as described in the skuggsjá our dear Amundr tells me he sent you.
oh Othr! I think we've come to an agreement!!! Implement it, please xD
and we need textures for aceton hose, as described in the skuggsjá our dear Amundr tells me he sent you.
Amundr
Master Knight
Yeah agreed it is.Aule_the_creator 说:
End tree is:
Seems we need one last cavalry name though.
Also we pretty much agreed i think that Stallari should be the name of the one leading the armies on raids.
Well i did send it but got no reply. *grumbles*Aule_the_creator 说:
Maybe it got ambushed on the way.
Heres the relevant passage though:
Theres also a great passage on sieges just below and a passage above about equipment for ship fighting.
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
yup, and you'll have trawl through my two posts with walls of text, I've given detailed instructions on how they should be armed and armoured
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
The descriptions from Hirðskrá and Konúngs Skuggsjá are pretty awesome (and don't forget my insightful ideas ), but I think you should ask Amundr for the passage on ship combat, it describes a whole bunch of weapons pretty well. The Seige part is perhaps not as important, it talks *mostly* of "battle-slings" for throwing large pebbles at enemy fortresses, but I suppose there are a few interesting points in there about beseiging and defending.
), but I think you should ask Amundr for the passage on ship combat, it describes a whole bunch of weapons pretty well. The Seige part is perhaps not as important, it talks *mostly* of "battle-slings" for throwing large pebbles at enemy fortresses, but I suppose there are a few interesting points in there about beseiging and defending.Amundr
Master Knight
No problem. was just unsure if you had gotten it.othr 说:
Thanks alot for the sticky btw.
I think this is the passage. Might aswell post it so everyone can enjoy it.Aule_the_creator 说:The descriptions from Hirðskrá and Konúngs Skuggsjá are pretty awesome (and don't forget my insightful ideas
Othr have previously wanted info on defenses apropriate to the era's castles so i thought id mention it.Aule_the_creator 说:
Should we work hard to get that last name for the cavalry tree so we are finally done ?
We could add Riddarar in there (the skuggsjá uses it) if we have to(were not being all historical correct as it is) or use one of the hirð titles.
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
how about konúngsmaður? it's generic enough to not call attention to itself, while not being too low ranking to warrant being cavalry. I feel like we'll be repeating ourselves if we add in Riddarar because in my mind Skútilsveinn is completely synonymous with it, but of course, if players play for a few thousand days, and reach 1270, then the cavalry names will be out of date.
and if Othr wants it, then the siege passage is probably usefull, it describes how to fortify a castle to withstand a siege.
because in my mind Skútilsveinn is completely synonymous with it, but of course, if players play for a few thousand days, and reach 1270, then the cavalry names will be out of date.and if Othr wants it, then the siege passage is probably usefull, it describes how to fortify a castle to withstand a siege.
Amundr
Master Knight
Yeah i know, we just need something there.Aule_the_creator 说:how about konúngsmaður? it's generic enough to not call attention to itself, while not being too low ranking to warrant being cavalry. I feel like we'll be repeating ourselves if we add in Riddarar
I Suppose konúngsmaður could work.
You are thinking this then ?
Aule_the_creator
Sergeant at Arms
yup, I think that is probably the best way to go.
